【上】民調(diào)顯示：脫歐派選民認為英國解體是脫歐值得付出的一項代價
Breakup of UK a price worth paying for Brexit, say Leave voters in poll
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我并不認為這對他們來說是件壞事。劃分為更小、更負責任的地方政府是一種積極的做法。我其實根本不在乎什么世界舞臺上的地緣政治力量。如果我們是一個更小的國家，也許生活會更好的，誰知道呢？還有很多其他的好例子。
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Breakup of UK a price worth paying for Brexit, say Leave voters in poll
-Sky News travels to the four parts of the United Kingdom to gauge its fragility as a Brexit-dominated election approaches.
民調(diào)顯示：脫歐派選民認為英國解體是脫歐值得付出的一項代價
——在英國脫歐派主導的大選臨近之際，英國天空新聞臺前往英國四個地區(qū)評估其脆弱性。
(Scottish nationalists are pushing for a second independence referendum)
（蘇格蘭民族主義者正在推動第二次獨立公投）
A large majority of Leave voters think the breakup of the United Kingdom is a price worth paying for Brexit, according to a Sky News poll.
天空新聞臺的一項民意調(diào)查顯示，絕大多數(shù)脫歐派選民認為，英國的解體是英國脫歐值得付出的一項代價。
Leave voters were asked if they thought Scotland becoming independent would be a price worth paying for delivering Brexit - 41% said yes, while only 18% said no.
脫歐派選民被問及他們是否認為蘇格蘭獨立是實現(xiàn)脫歐的一項值得付出的代價——41%的人表示“值得”，只有18%的人表示“不值得”。
Of the remainder, 17% said they would be happy for Scotland to leave the unx regardless of the circumstances and 24% said they didn''''t know.
其余的受訪者中，17%的人稱，不管情況如何，他們都會為蘇格蘭脫離英國而高興，24%的受訪者稱他們不知道。
Professor Sir Tom Devine, of the University of Edinburgh, said that, in the debate on Scotland''''s future and the future of the United Kingdom, the English nationalist voice would be most powerful.
愛丁堡大學教授湯姆·迪瓦恩爵士表示，在有關蘇格蘭未來和英國未來的辯論中，英國民族主義者的聲音將是最有力的。
"It''''s always been my view that if the unx comes to an end, it will come to an end because of either English indifference or hostility," he said. "I think at the moment there''''s probably more indifference than hostility, but there''''s little doubt that that is a brand of English nationalism, which is broad. Which in a sense is not really interested on whether Scotland continues in the unx or not."
他說：“我一直認為，如果聯(lián)合王國走到了盡頭，那么要么是因為英國人的冷漠，要么是因為他們的敵意?！彼f：“我認為，目前可能更多的是冷漠，而不是敵意，但毫無疑問，這是一種廣泛的英國民族主義。從某種意義上說，這與蘇格蘭是否繼續(xù)留在歐盟無關?！?br />
England was the powerhouse behind the Brexit vote and is pivotal in preserving the UK. If the kingdom''''s biggest and most powerful partner decided it didn''''t have a future, then it wouldn''''t have one.
英格蘭是英國脫歐公投的幕后推手，并在保留聯(lián)合王國方面發(fā)揮著關鍵作用。如果聯(lián)合王國最大、最強大的合伙人都認為它沒有未來，那么它就不會有未來。
Is there an increase in English nationalism? And with it, a hardening sense that the English regard see an increasing irrelevance in remaining inside the United Kingdom?
英國民族主義是否有所抬頭？并且伴隨著它，還彌漫著一種英國人認為留在英國越來越無關緊要的冷漠的感覺？
John Denham, an ex-Labour cabinet minister and professor of English identity and politics at Southampton University, said: "I think the truth is that there is a set of voters who want England''''s interests protected, and if for them that means leaving the EU then if that had to be the end of the unx they would go along with that, that doesn''''t mean they''''re against the unx or they want it to break up but if that''''s what it came down to that''''s what they would prioritise."
前工黨內(nèi)閣大臣和南安普頓大學英國身份與政治教授約翰·德納姆表示：“我認為事實是， 有一群選民希望保護英格蘭的利益，而如果對他們來說，這就意味著脫離歐盟，而如果這就必須導致聯(lián)合王國的終結，他們會同意的——這并不意味著他們反對聯(lián)合王國，或者他們想讓聯(lián)合王國分裂，但如果這就是最終的結果，那這就是他們優(yōu)先考慮的事情（解體就解體吧）?！?br />
In Northern Ireland, the view of the UK''''s future tends to split along community lines - this is still a part of the world where politics turns on religious differences.
在北愛爾蘭，人們對英國未來的看法往往會因社區(qū)而異——這仍然是世界上政治取決于宗教差異的一部分。
(Some English voters would prioritise Brexit over the unx - even if they don''''t want it to break up, says John Denham)
（約翰·德納姆表示，一些英國選民會優(yōu)先考慮英國脫歐，而不是保持聯(lián)合王國不解體——即使他們不希望聯(lián)合王國不解體）
We went to a hurling double-header semi-final in Armagh. Hurling is Ireland''''s national game and attracts an overwhelmingly nationalist crowd.
我們?nèi)タ戳艘粓鲈诎栺R舉行的兩連場愛爾蘭式曲棍球半決賽。愛爾蘭式曲棍球是愛爾蘭的國球，吸引了絕大多數(shù)民族主義者。
Moore Holmes, a unxist activist, told us: "As soon as you allow the threat of violent republicanism to achieve political gain you do run this risk of tensions being heightened, extreme sensitivities, and these public protests in rejection can lead to other things and I would first and foremost condemn that, I wouldn''''t want to see that, we don''''t want to see that happen but there is a risk."
北愛爾蘭與英國統(tǒng)一主義者摩爾·福爾摩斯告訴我們：“一旦你允許暴力共和主義的威脅獲得政治利益，你就面臨著緊張局勢加劇的風險，這極端敏感，并且這些公開的拒絕抗議可能會導致其他事情，我會第一個并且最嚴厲的譴責這種行為，我不想看到這種情況，我們都不想看到這種情況發(fā)生，但是有這種風險存在的。”
(Many on both sides of the Irish border are concerned about the consequences of Brexit)
（愛爾蘭邊境兩邊的許多人都擔心英國脫歐導致的后果）
"If Scotland leaves the UK I would feel like a little brother who sees his big brother leave the patriarchal home and make his own way in the world, I would be glad for him but sad for me."
“如果蘇格蘭離開了英國，那我會覺得自己就好像是個小弟弟，看著哥哥離開父權制的家庭，自己去闖世界了，我會為他感到高興，但同時也會為我自己（沒能獨立）感到難過?！?br />
Breakup of UK a price worth paying for Brexit, say Leave voters in poll
-Sky News travels to the four parts of the United Kingdom to gauge its fragility as a Brexit-dominated election approaches.
民調(diào)顯示：脫歐派選民認為英國解體是脫歐值得付出的一項代價
——在英國脫歐派主導的大選臨近之際，英國天空新聞臺前往英國四個地區(qū)評估其脆弱性。
(Scottish nationalists are pushing for a second independence referendum)
（蘇格蘭民族主義者正在推動第二次獨立公投）
A large majority of Leave voters think the breakup of the United Kingdom is a price worth paying for Brexit, according to a Sky News poll.
天空新聞臺的一項民意調(diào)查顯示，絕大多數(shù)脫歐派選民認為，英國的解體是英國脫歐值得付出的一項代價。
Leave voters were asked if they thought Scotland becoming independent would be a price worth paying for delivering Brexit - 41% said yes, while only 18% said no.
脫歐派選民被問及他們是否認為蘇格蘭獨立是實現(xiàn)脫歐的一項值得付出的代價——41%的人表示“值得”，只有18%的人表示“不值得”。
Of the remainder, 17% said they would be happy for Scotland to leave the unx regardless of the circumstances and 24% said they didn''''t know.
其余的受訪者中，17%的人稱，不管情況如何，他們都會為蘇格蘭脫離英國而高興，24%的受訪者稱他們不知道。
Professor Sir Tom Devine, of the University of Edinburgh, said that, in the debate on Scotland''''s future and the future of the United Kingdom, the English nationalist voice would be most powerful.
愛丁堡大學教授湯姆·迪瓦恩爵士表示，在有關蘇格蘭未來和英國未來的辯論中，英國民族主義者的聲音將是最有力的。
"It''''s always been my view that if the unx comes to an end, it will come to an end because of either English indifference or hostility," he said. "I think at the moment there''''s probably more indifference than hostility, but there''''s little doubt that that is a brand of English nationalism, which is broad. Which in a sense is not really interested on whether Scotland continues in the unx or not."
他說：“我一直認為，如果聯(lián)合王國走到了盡頭，那么要么是因為英國人的冷漠，要么是因為他們的敵意?！彼f：“我認為，目前可能更多的是冷漠，而不是敵意，但毫無疑問，這是一種廣泛的英國民族主義。從某種意義上說，這與蘇格蘭是否繼續(xù)留在歐盟無關?！?br />
England was the powerhouse behind the Brexit vote and is pivotal in preserving the UK. If the kingdom''''s biggest and most powerful partner decided it didn''''t have a future, then it wouldn''''t have one.
英格蘭是英國脫歐公投的幕后推手，并在保留聯(lián)合王國方面發(fā)揮著關鍵作用。如果聯(lián)合王國最大、最強大的合伙人都認為它沒有未來，那么它就不會有未來。
Is there an increase in English nationalism? And with it, a hardening sense that the English regard see an increasing irrelevance in remaining inside the United Kingdom?
英國民族主義是否有所抬頭？并且伴隨著它，還彌漫著一種英國人認為留在英國越來越無關緊要的冷漠的感覺？
John Denham, an ex-Labour cabinet minister and professor of English identity and politics at Southampton University, said: "I think the truth is that there is a set of voters who want England''''s interests protected, and if for them that means leaving the EU then if that had to be the end of the unx they would go along with that, that doesn''''t mean they''''re against the unx or they want it to break up but if that''''s what it came down to that''''s what they would prioritise."
前工黨內(nèi)閣大臣和南安普頓大學英國身份與政治教授約翰·德納姆表示：“我認為事實是， 有一群選民希望保護英格蘭的利益，而如果對他們來說，這就意味著脫離歐盟，而如果這就必須導致聯(lián)合王國的終結，他們會同意的——這并不意味著他們反對聯(lián)合王國，或者他們想讓聯(lián)合王國分裂，但如果這就是最終的結果，那這就是他們優(yōu)先考慮的事情（解體就解體吧）?！?br />
In Northern Ireland, the view of the UK''''s future tends to split along community lines - this is still a part of the world where politics turns on religious differences.
在北愛爾蘭，人們對英國未來的看法往往會因社區(qū)而異——這仍然是世界上政治取決于宗教差異的一部分。
(Some English voters would prioritise Brexit over the unx - even if they don''''t want it to break up, says John Denham)
（約翰·德納姆表示，一些英國選民會優(yōu)先考慮英國脫歐，而不是保持聯(lián)合王國不解體——即使他們不希望聯(lián)合王國不解體）
We went to a hurling double-header semi-final in Armagh. Hurling is Ireland''''s national game and attracts an overwhelmingly nationalist crowd.
我們?nèi)タ戳艘粓鲈诎栺R舉行的兩連場愛爾蘭式曲棍球半決賽。愛爾蘭式曲棍球是愛爾蘭的國球，吸引了絕大多數(shù)民族主義者。
Moore Holmes, a unxist activist, told us: "As soon as you allow the threat of violent republicanism to achieve political gain you do run this risk of tensions being heightened, extreme sensitivities, and these public protests in rejection can lead to other things and I would first and foremost condemn that, I wouldn''''t want to see that, we don''''t want to see that happen but there is a risk."
北愛爾蘭與英國統(tǒng)一主義者摩爾·福爾摩斯告訴我們：“一旦你允許暴力共和主義的威脅獲得政治利益，你就面臨著緊張局勢加劇的風險，這極端敏感，并且這些公開的拒絕抗議可能會導致其他事情，我會第一個并且最嚴厲的譴責這種行為，我不想看到這種情況，我們都不想看到這種情況發(fā)生，但是有這種風險存在的。”
(Many on both sides of the Irish border are concerned about the consequences of Brexit)
（愛爾蘭邊境兩邊的許多人都擔心英國脫歐導致的后果）
"If Scotland leaves the UK I would feel like a little brother who sees his big brother leave the patriarchal home and make his own way in the world, I would be glad for him but sad for me."
“如果蘇格蘭離開了英國，那我會覺得自己就好像是個小弟弟，看著哥哥離開父權制的家庭，自己去闖世界了，我會為他感到高興，但同時也會為我自己（沒能獨立）感到難過?！?br />
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odkfn
I really want to stay part of the UK but will probably have to change my stance should brexit go ahead without another referendum on it first.
I can’t believe trump is backing Brexit, putin is funding BoJo, and it might lead to the break up for the UK and anyone is still backing it.
What is going on here? Are the English drinking the same koolaid as American republicans? Our country could be so much better except X and Y external influence is hindering us, make our country great again, etc, etc?
Surely Trump alone pushing for something should be enough of a wake up call that it’s perhaps not in your best interests? Jesus.
我真地很想留在英國，但如果英國脫歐不再舉行另一場公投的話，那我可能不得不改變自己的立場。
我不敢相信特朗普在支持英國脫歐，普京在資助約翰遜，這可能導致英國分裂，而某些人仍然支持它。
這是怎么回事？英國人喝的Kool Aid和美國共和黨人喝的是一樣的嗎？——我們的國家可以變得更好，除了X和Y的外部影響阻礙我們，讓我們的國家再次偉大，等等，等等？
單憑特朗普在推動某件事，就足以讓你意識到它可能不符合你的最佳利益嗎？老天呀。
flappers87A pack of B&H and one wank license please
It''''s more of a sunk cost fallacy. But instead of money, it''''s rhetoric. Leavers have been parroting the propaganda and lies that high profile brexiteers have been peddling, and even when evidence to the contrary exists, they''''d rather shit hit the fan than admit they were wrong.
Russian influence on the vote? Negligible
Russian money to the brexiteers? Doesn''''t matter
Potential split of the UK? Who cares
Economic uncertainty with huge risks of recession? Meh.
Experts in economics explaining the costs behind brexit? They''''re liars
Basically there''''s an excuse for everything. As long as they get their way and can twist everything that comes out of this, they can stand tall and say that "democracy wins"... Even when that same democracy was invaded by a country that had also quite literally poisoned UK nationals.
It''''s now got to a point where leavers see remainers as "traitors" for daring to have an opposing political view. They''''ll dislike anything remainers like and like anything remainers dislike.
It''''s a sad state of affairs. And it doesn''''t surprise me that places like Scotland are now looking to move away from the struggling UK.
這更像是一種沉沒成本謬論。但這是一種修辭，而不是金錢。脫歐派一直在重復高調(diào)的脫歐派自己一直在兜售的宣傳和謊言，即使存在相反的證據(jù)，他們也不愿承認自己錯了。
俄羅斯對投票的影響？可以忽略不計
俄羅斯給脫歐派的錢？不重要
英國可能會解體？誰在乎
經(jīng)濟不確定性與經(jīng)濟衰退的巨大風險？切。
經(jīng)濟學專家解釋英國脫歐背后的成本？他們是騙子
基本上每件事都有借口。只要他們能隨心所欲，能扭轉由此產(chǎn)生的一切，他們就能昂首挺胸地說“民主必勝”……甚至當同樣的民主遭到一個同樣毒害英國國民的國家入侵時也是如此。
如今，脫歐派將留歐派視為“叛徒”——因為他們敢于持有相反的政治觀點。他們不喜歡任何留歐派喜歡的東西，并且喜歡任何留歐派不喜歡的東西。
這是一種可悲的事態(tài)。像蘇格蘭這樣的地方現(xiàn)在正考慮離開困境中的英國，這并不讓我感到意外。
MlghtySheep
I feel about the Scottish independence question the same way Europeans probably feel about Brexit. It''''s probably not a good thing but it''''s also kinda like "eh do what you want" not about to let the threat of it affect decision making. I don''''t necessarily think it would even be definitely a bad thing for them. Dividing into smaller more accountable localized governments is a positive. I actually don''''t give a shit about geopolitical power on the world stage. Maybe life would be better off if we were a smaller country, who knows? There''''s a lot of other good examples.
我對蘇格蘭獨立問題的看法，可能和歐洲人對英國脫歐的看法一樣。這可能不是一件好事，但它也有點像“嗯，隨你便好了”，而不是讓它的威脅影響到?jīng)Q策。我并不認為這對他們來說是件壞事。劃分為更小、更負責任的地方政府是一種積極的做法。我其實根本不在乎什么世界舞臺上的地緣政治力量。如果我們是一個更小的國家，也許生活會更好的，誰知道呢？還有很多其他的好例子。
Swiftshaw
There''''s a lot of other good examples.
Like what? I presume you''''re talking about Singapore, which um, no thanks.
“還有很多其他的好例子”
比如？我猜你說的是新加坡，不用了，謝謝。