國外網(wǎng)友問答：為什么美國不像他們對德國、日本、中國、韓國和加拿大做的那樣，幫助墨西哥成為一個富裕的國家，這樣墨西哥人不就不會非法越過美國邊境尋求更好的生活了嗎?

Zhang Zhiheng, Chinese, with oversea education and professional experience中國人，有海外教育和工作經(jīng)驗

The God help those who help themselves. Japan and Germany were not made rich by US, although US helped them in their low time. They both were rich and stronge nations before the WWII. A disastrous war could destroy a country’s infurastrue and physical wealth but it could never destroy its people’s competence. As long as you have the high quality human capital, you will always return to your rightful position.
Mexico, compared to Japan or Germany left far behind in human capital.

自助者天助之。日本和德國不是靠美國的幫助富裕起來的，盡管美國在他們經(jīng)濟(jì)低迷時幫助了他們。它們在二戰(zhàn)前都是富強(qiáng)的國家。一場災(zāi)難性的戰(zhàn)爭可以摧毀一個國家的財產(chǎn)和物質(zhì)財富，但它永遠(yuǎn)不會摧毀其人民的能力。只要你擁有高素質(zhì)的人力資本，你總會回到你應(yīng)有的位置。
與日本或德國相比，墨西哥在人力資本方面遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)落后。
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Silvestre Navarro
Mexico is now the 15th economy in the world and it is projected to become one of the 10 economies worldwide in the near future. Your comment greatly downplays Mexico and its people as a country. I suggest you research more in the matter before making such comments.

墨西哥現(xiàn)在在全世界所有經(jīng)濟(jì)體中排名第15，預(yù)計在不久的將來還將成為世界上排名前10的經(jīng)濟(jì)體之一。你的評論極大地貶低了墨西哥及其人民作為一個國家的地位。我建議你在發(fā)表這樣的評論之前自己多研究一下。

Guo Yang、
smart Mexican will choice immigrant to usa.

聰明的墨西哥人會選擇移民到美國。

Silvestre Navarro
Actually, migration from Mexico to the USA has decreased dramatically since 2009. In fact, an increasing number of Mexicans are returning to the mother land due to better prospects in Mexico. Once again, just stating facts, not opinions.

事實上，自2009年以來，從墨西哥移民到美國的移民數(shù)量急劇減少。事實上，越來越多的墨西哥人因為在墨西哥的前景更好而返回祖國。再說一遍，只是陳述事實，而不是觀點。

Pedro Delira
What is now mexico: it has not recover since the spanish invasion. The decendents of the spaniards never left mexico after mexicos independence they have ruled the country in a very corrupt way to this day. For 400 years the brown mexicans(90% of the mexican population) were not allowed to read or write they were slaves in their own god given land. This is part of the reason mexico is so corrupted and has a large poor population. Also, brown skin mexicans have very little apportunity in mexico the whites do not want to lose thier power grip.

現(xiàn)在的墨西哥:自從西班牙入侵后就沒有恢復(fù)過來。西班牙人的后裔在墨西哥獨立后從未離開過墨西哥，他們至今以一種非常腐敗的方式統(tǒng)治著這個國家。400年來，棕色墨西哥人(占墨西哥人口的90%)不被允許讀書寫字，他們在自己的神明賜予的土地上淪為了別人的奴隸。這是墨西哥如此腐敗和有大量貧困人口的部分原因。此外，棕色皮膚的墨西哥人在墨西哥幾乎沒有機(jī)會，白人不想失去他們的權(quán)力控制。

Jens B?ttiger, I'm German
The US isn’t your daddy. It doesn’t make other countries rich.
As soon as Mexico rids itself of corrupt government, tears down the cartels, and enforces the rule of law, it will succeed.

美國不是你爹。它不會讓其他國家變得富有。
只要墨西哥擺脫腐敗的政府，摧毀販毒集團(tuán)，并實施法治，它就會成功。

Brian Collins, American living in Australia
Canada was about as prosperous as the US from the very beginning. It was a large part of the British Empire.
Japan and Germany were both built up for pragmatic and strategic reasons. The US wanted a strong Germany to help against the USSR, and a strong Japan to help against com...st China, North Korea, and the USSR on the other side. Destroying the German economy also allowed for radicals to take over the German government in the first place leading to WWII.
Mexico has never been a threat, nor is it strategically important. There is no threat to the south that makes the US want to build Mexico up, and the US has always been able to quickly contain radicals that threaten the US from Mexico.
Turning Mexico into a manufacturing hub like China would not make it rich like Japan or Germany, and would make it a huge creator of pollution.
The US also doesn’t turn countries into manufacturing hubs. They have to do things, or have the conditions already in place, to make themselves exporters. The US can stop countries from being manufacturing hubs by embargoing them, but allowing China to become one was in the US’s strategic interest as China shifted from being an ally of the USSR, to being closer to the US.
In my opinion, the easiest way the US could replicate the success of Japan or Germany in Mexico would be to militarily conquer Mexico, bomb most of the old buildings freeing up space for new infrastructure, and then depose the leaders and enact land policies like the ones in Japan and South Korea, making land more productive by kicking all the old land lords off. I am not sure being rich is worth that.

加拿大從一開始就和美國一樣繁榮。它在大英帝國的版圖中舉足輕重。
日本和德國都是出于務(wù)實和戰(zhàn)略考慮而扶持起來的。美國想要一個強(qiáng)大的德國來幫助對抗蘇聯(lián)，一個強(qiáng)大的日本來幫助對抗中國、朝鮮和蘇聯(lián)。德國經(jīng)濟(jì)被摧毀也使得激進(jìn)分子首先接管了德國政府，導(dǎo)致了第二次世界大戰(zhàn)的發(fā)生。
墨西哥從來都不是威脅，也不具有戰(zhàn)略重要性。在美國以南的方向上沒有任何威脅能促使美國產(chǎn)生扶持墨西哥的想法，而且美國總是能夠迅速遏制來自墨西哥的激進(jìn)分子威脅美國。
把墨西哥變成中國那樣的制造業(yè)中心，不會讓它像日本或德國那樣富有，只會讓它成為一個巨大的污染制造者。
美國也沒有把某些國家變成制造業(yè)中心。他們必須采取一些行動，或者具備應(yīng)有的條件，才能使自己成為出口國。美國可以通過禁止某些國家成為制造業(yè)中心來阻止它們，但允許中國成為制造業(yè)中心符合美國的戰(zhàn)略利益，因為中國正從蘇聯(lián)的盟友轉(zhuǎn)變?yōu)楦咏绹拿擞选?br /> 在我看來,美國從日本和德國那里可以復(fù)制過來讓墨西哥變富裕最簡單的方法是，軍事征服墨西哥,炸毀老舊的建筑以騰出空間建設(shè)新的基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施,然后推翻領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人制定土地政策，就像在日本和韓國所做的一樣,通過趕走老地主來提高土地的生產(chǎn)力。我不確定為了讓墨西哥變得富裕是否值得這么做。

Edward Conway
Good points. One other thing worth noting: Germany and Japan both had strong industrial traditions by the time WW2 happened: people were used to widespread manufacturing, and many of the survivors of the war had skills from before the war that were useful in industry. While the buildings needed to be rebuilt, the people in their societies already knew how to function in a highly industrialized economy. It’s easier to rebuild a Volkswagen plant in a town that had one, for instance, that to educate the people of a country on how to design and manufacture cars.

很好的觀點。另一件值得注意的事情是:德國和日本在二戰(zhàn)發(fā)生時都擁有強(qiáng)大的工業(yè)傳統(tǒng):人們已經(jīng)習(xí)慣了隨處可見的制造業(yè)，許多戰(zhàn)爭的幸存者都擁有戰(zhàn)前在工業(yè)生產(chǎn)中有用的技能。雖然這些建筑需要重建，但社會上的民眾已經(jīng)知道如何在高度工業(yè)化的經(jīng)濟(jì)中發(fā)揮作用。比如，在一個擁有大眾汽車工廠的小鎮(zhèn)上，重建一家大眾汽車工廠會更容易一些，因為那里的工廠能夠教育民眾如何設(shè)計和制造汽車。

SaburoK
Germany was richer than US previously.
Japan was richer than US previously.
South Korea and Canada have a good life previously, although not as rich as the U.S.
China was poor because China was robbed by UK, 8 axis of evil etc. China was one of rich countries in History.
U.S. was becoming rich because the above countries.
It is these countries who made US rich as it is today.
Once U.S. is rich, the U.S. wants to keep rich by not let above countries be rich.

德國以前比美國富裕。
日本以前比美國富裕。
韓國和加拿大以前的生活很好，雖然沒有美國那么富裕
中國之所以貧窮，是因為中國被英國、八大邪惡軸心國等國家搶劫了。
在歷史上，中國是一個富裕的國家。
美國之所以變得富有，是因為上述國家。
正是這些國家讓美國成為今天的富裕國家。
自從美國變得富有了，美國就想通過不讓上面的這些國家變得富有來保持自身的富有。

John Murphy
China was poor because it was robbed by the UK?
Well,, that’s the weakest excuse I ever heard for a self-inflicted injury.
Japan was flattened in WWII. In 35 years it had the second largest GDP in the world. Why didn’t China?
Stop blaming other people.

中國窮是因為被英國搶劫了嗎?
這是我聽過的最弱的自討苦吃的借口。。
日本在二戰(zhàn)中被夷為平地。用了35年的時間，它的GDP就位居世界第二。為什么中國做不到?
不要責(zé)怪別人。

Joseph Boyle, lives in California (1988-present)
Mexicos GDP growth is not as steep as Asia but is very close to world average.
Mexico is not far below the World Bank high-income economy threshold and will probably get there within a decade or so.

墨西哥的GDP增長沒有亞洲那么快，但非常接近世界平均水平。
墨西哥距離世界銀行設(shè)定的高收入經(jīng)濟(jì)體門檻不遠(yuǎn)，而且很可能在10年左右的時間內(nèi)達(dá)到這個水平。

Stefan Hill, MS from Uppsala University
USA does not make countries rich by swinging its Magic Stick. USA does not make countries rich at all.
Neither do countries get rich, more than temporarly, by natural resources. Look at Venezuela that is facing famine and death or SaudiArabia that is headed to go down in flames.
Countries become rich by virtue.
Example: Corruption. If a country is rich but its leaders corrupt the country will be poor. This is quite natural. If someone steal your money, you will be without money
Example: Lack of citizenship. If people do not trust the state and forms armed militias the country will go down in flames, like the Kongo (A super rich country when it comes to natural resources)
My advice to Mexico:
Fight corruption
Create a trust in the State (comes natural when corruption is gone)
Eliminate criminallity (possible when cityzens trust the state)

美國沒有揮舞一下就能讓其他國家變得富裕的魔法棒。美國根本沒有讓其他國家變得富有。
一個國家也不會因為自然資源而變得富有，即便有，也只是暫時的?？纯凑媾R饑荒和死亡的委內(nèi)瑞拉，或者即將在火焰中倒下的沙特阿拉伯。
一個國家靠美德才能致富。
例如:腐敗。如果一個國家富有，但其領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人腐敗，這個國家就會貧窮。這是很自然的。如果有人偷了你的錢，你就會沒有錢。
例如:缺乏公民權(quán)。如果人們不信任政府，自行組建武裝民兵，這個國家就會像剛果一樣(一個自然資源超級豐富的國家)。
我對墨西哥的建議:
打擊腐敗
建立民眾對國家的信任(腐敗消失后很自然就能建立起來)
消除犯罪(如果市民信任政府)

Shannon Roy
The premise of this question hasn’t been correct since 2009. Since that time, more Mexicans have been leaving the US than arriving!
Here are the numbers: More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.
Also, the US didn’t “make” Germany, Japan, China, South Korea, or Canada rich. That’s just silly talk by people who don’t understand how economics works.

自2009年以來，這個問題的前提就一直不正確。從那時起，離開美國的墨西哥人比抵達(dá)美國的還要多!
實際數(shù)字是:離開美國的墨西哥人比來到美國的墨西哥人多。
此外，美國也沒有“讓”德國、日本、中國、韓國或加拿大變得富有。這只是那些不懂經(jīng)濟(jì)學(xué)如何運作的人的愚蠢言論。

John Billington, I am from Mexico, I visit often, I know people there, I follow news reports
The number of illegal immigrants has not increased in last four years and is less than it was eight years ago.
Mexico has massive income inequality and wealth is concentrated in the hands of the rich. The government is corrupt and the capitalism is crony.
However, people are working hard everyday to make it better for themselves and their families.

非法移民的數(shù)量在過去4年里沒有增加，而且比8年前還要少。
墨西哥存在巨大的收入不平等，財富集中在富人手中。政府是腐敗的，資本主義都是裙帶關(guān)系。
然而，人們每天都在努力工作，讓自己和家人過得更好。

JJ Hantsch, Expert on Asian wars; I was married to a woman from Chubu.
Mexico has, since the days of the conquistadors followed a very different economic model than the USA. Mexico has always had a small very wealthy class and a very large, unskilled working class. And Mexico has for centuries done things to keep it this way. Mexico is really only now developing a real middle class.
The great equalizer in the world is education and allowing people their own incentives. That is allowing people who innovate to keep more of their money. The USA is the champion of this. Mexico never has been.
The USA with 536 billionaires and a population of 324 million has 1.65 billionaires per million people. That leads the world. Canada with 1.08 billionaires, Germany with 1.25 billionaires per million and the UK with 0.82 billionaires per million people are high in this respect.
European countries with more regressive tax schemes (France, Spain) have fewer billionaires per capita France 0.69 and Spain 0.46.
Asian countries have very regressive tax schemes. Japan has 0.19 billionaires per million people, China has 0.15 and India has .08. Mexico more resembles these countries with 0.12 billionaires per million people.

自殖民時代以來，墨西哥一直遵循著與美國截然不同的經(jīng)濟(jì)模式。墨西哥一直有一個非常富有的小階層和一個非常龐大的、沒有技術(shù)的工人階級。幾個世紀(jì)以來，墨西哥一直在努力保持這種狀態(tài)。墨西哥現(xiàn)在只是在發(fā)展真正的中產(chǎn)階級。
世上最好的調(diào)節(jié)機(jī)制是教育和允許人們有自己的動機(jī)。這使得那些能夠創(chuàng)新的人可以得到更多的錢。美國是這方面的冠軍。墨西哥從來都不是。
美國有536個億萬富翁，人口3.24億，每百萬人有1.65個億萬富翁。引領(lǐng)世界。加拿大每百萬人有1.08位億萬富翁，德國每百萬人有1.25位億萬富翁，英國每百萬人有0.82位億萬富翁，這些國家在這方面的數(shù)據(jù)是很高的。
遞減稅率更高的歐洲國家(法國和西班牙)的億萬富翁人均數(shù)量更少，法國為0.69，西班牙為0.46。
亞洲國家的稅收制度是遞減的。日本每百萬人有0.19個億萬富翁，中國有0.15個，印度有0.08個。墨西哥更像這些國家，每百萬人有0.12個億萬富翁。

Byeonguk Yook, studied at The United States of America
It is not the responsibility of the US to make Mexico rich. That is up to the Mexicans. Their country is in their hands. They could certainly cut down on corruption but that is on the will of the Mexicans. Everybody else will react accordingly.

美國沒有責(zé)任讓墨西哥變得富有。這取決于墨西哥人自己。他們的國家掌握在他們手中。他們當(dāng)然可以減少腐敗，但這需要看墨西哥人的意愿。每個人都會對此做出相應(yīng)的反應(yīng)。

Opal Sunny Furuide
The US make these countries rich? Are you kidding? The truth is US is always interests first, and it only fight for it’s own interests.

美國讓這些國家富裕了嗎?你在開玩笑吧?事實是，美國總是把自己的利益放在第一位，美國只會為了自己的利益而戰(zhàn)。