網(wǎng)友討論：為什么法國是最差勁的北約成員國
Why France Is Worst NATO Member
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網(wǎng)友：如果你了解一點法國歷史的話，你就會知道法國當(dāng)時已經(jīng)擁有了很強大的軍事力量，法國是北約的主要創(chuàng)始成員國之一。
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網(wǎng)友討論：為什么法國是最差勁的北約成員國
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As a Canadian I'm aware that NATO has threatened to kick Canada out.
As Canada hasnt fulfilled its 2% spending in decades. Canada's military has been declining for decades. Canada cant meet most of its obligations.
作為一個加拿大人，我知道北約一直威脅要把加拿大踢出去。
因為數(shù)十年來加拿大的國防開支占gdp的比重一直低于2%。這幾十年來加拿大的軍事力量一直在下滑。加拿大無法履行大部分的義務(wù)。
i hope NATO Wont kick Canada
我希望北約不要將加拿大踢出去。
wow Canada is nato member？
加拿大是北約成員國嗎？
@romanniki5033 yes
是的
Canada is one of the members who sepnds the most there are mnay other members who spend less then 2 percent of their gdp
加拿大是國防開支占gdp比例最高的北約成員國之一，很多其他國家國防開支占gdp的比重都不到2%
@itzdiamondallianceanditzon4177 As a Canadian I wish we leave all these world organizations. And focus on Canada first. Stop all immigration.
Encourage Canadians to have more kids. I say free daycare for all.
作為一個加拿大人，我希望我們加拿大可以退出所有的國際性組織。我們首先應(yīng)該關(guān)注加拿大本國問題。應(yīng)該停止接收所有的外來移民。
鼓勵加拿大人多生孩子。我認(rèn)為托兒所必須免費。
? @MuffHam When canada would Do this, IT would collapse fast.
如果加拿大真的那么做的話，那么加拿大將會快速崩潰
@hejsan1784 Yeah but if immigrants come and housing is expensive, where will they live? As my professor said, they will literally live on the street. Canadians are having a hard time living in their own country, let alone immigrants.
你說的沒錯，但是在房價那么貴的情況下，如果讓移民進入加拿大，那么你要讓他們住在哪里呢？正如我的教授所說的那樣，到時候他們真的只能睡在大街上。加拿大人在自己國家都過得很艱難，更何況是那些外來移民呢。
As a french i agree with our president, i dont want US to take decisions for us.
作為一個法國人，我同意我們總統(tǒng)的看法。我不希望美國替我們做決定。
As a german I also agree with him on that europe should be less dependent on the US
作為一個德國人，我也支持他的看法，即歐洲應(yīng)該減少對美國的依賴。
Don’t forget how helped France during the ww2
American Soldiers lost their lives for your freedom of today
不要忘了美國在二戰(zhàn)期間是如何幫助法國的？
美國士兵為了你們今天的自由犧牲了自己的生命
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@LuisGarcia-ug3cs I know, but that doesnt mean we owe u anything. We helped you as well during the independance war against the brits ;)
我知道，但這并不意味著我們欠你們。我們在美國獨立戰(zhàn)爭期間也幫助過你們對抗英國人。
? @LuisGarcia-ug3cs that doesnt mean we have to be your lapdog
這并不意味著我們就必須成為你的哈巴狗
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? @LuisGarcia-ug3cs Don't forget how France helped you win Independance war.
French soldiers lost their lives for your freedom.
不要忘了法國是如何幫助你們打贏獨立戰(zhàn)爭的？
法國士兵為了你們的自由犧牲了自己的生命
@unemusiqueunjour You can leave NATO
那你們可以離開北約
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@calvin659 french have to obey Americans to stay in NATO?
法國必須要服從美國的命令才能留在北約嗎？
? @erwan6186 Once, the U.S. helped your nation sevral times
美國曾經(jīng)幫助過你們國家好幾次
@erwan6186 If the US hadn't stood between the Soviets and France it would have been Soviet satellite state. We should have left Europe immediately after WWII and let Stalin do whatever he wanted.
如果不是美國擋在了蘇聯(lián)前面，法國早就成為蘇聯(lián)的衛(wèi)星國了。我們真應(yīng)該在二戰(zhàn)結(jié)束后立即離開歐洲讓斯大林在歐洲為所欲為。
@Wilson-xd4zq But also if France were not fighting against the bits with America then you would of been beaten by the British
但是如果沒有法國人和你們一起去打英國人，你們美國早就被英國人擊敗了。
@Wilson-xd4zq Do not forget that Europe play a big role in the economy of the USA.
不要忘了歐洲對美國經(jīng)濟的重要作用。
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@Theam3120 Europe depends more on the US since it sells more to the US than the US sells to it.
歐洲更加依賴美國，因為歐洲對美國的出口超過了美國對歐洲的出口。
@Wilson-xd4zq Well buying and selling both are part of the economy if the US buy goods from Europe I assume it is because they need them
進口和出口都是經(jīng)濟的一部分，我認(rèn)為既然美國要購買歐洲的產(chǎn)品，那么這肯定因為他們需要這些東西。
@LuisGarcia-ug3cs who helped america against the brits??
是誰曾經(jīng)幫助美國對抗英國人？
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So be grateful that ur country still exists because of the usa
因為美國，你們的國家才能依然存在，所以你們必須對此心懷感激。
? @Wilson-xd4zq thats a lie, if you would know a little bit of french history, you would know that france had already a very strong military at that time and that france was one of NATO's main foundators.
The us did not creat NATO alone, and it is an alliance so everyone has someting to say. France is not like other countrys in NATO wiling to obey every order of USA because unlike germany and england it can fight independantly from the us.
這是一個謊言，如果你了解一點法國歷史的話，你就會知道法國當(dāng)時已經(jīng)擁有了很強大的軍事力量，法國是北約的主要創(chuàng)始成員國之一。
北約不是美國一個國家建立的，北約是一個聯(lián)盟，所以里面的所有國家都有話語權(quán)。北約當(dāng)中的其他國家愿意聽從美國的所有的命令，但是法國和他們是不一樣的，因為和德國英國不同的是，法國可以獨立于美國作戰(zhàn)。
I, for one, believe Macron is right to push for Europe's autonomy. It is true that Europeans are way too dependant on the US and should be investing more on their own militaries.
我個人覺得馬克龍推動歐洲獨立自主是正確的。歐洲人確實太依賴美國了，歐洲人應(yīng)該在自己的軍事方面投入更多的資源。
I agree with you. Europe SHOULD be autonomous. The problem is that they don't want to shoulder the responsibility that comes with it. They want the US to continue to pay the bill for their peace. They don't want to pay for security and independence.
我同意你的看法。歐洲應(yīng)該獨立自主。問題在于他們不想要承擔(dān)隨之而來的責(zé)任。他們希望讓美國繼續(xù)為他們的和平買單。他們不想要為國家的安全和獨立付錢。
As an American, I agree with you
作為一個美國人，我同意你的看法
This is very dangerous proposition. The moment when USA leave Europe, EU will turn red.
這是非常危險的一個主張。美國一旦離開歐洲，歐盟就會立即赤化。
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@niki123489 How Europe turn red? Russia certainly doesn't have the power to take on Europe as a whole, neither does China.
Europe is second only to the US in power, the problem with Europe at the moment is that they rely too much on the US, they should pay for their own forces and bolster their military (which they can do and have the capability to do) but they're far too soft in foreign policy and don't want to get involved a in any conflict.
This is why the UK left the EU. Imagine if the EU and USA both had massive militaries - nobody would dare mess with the west.
歐洲怎么可能會赤化？俄羅斯沒有能力對抗整個歐洲，中國同樣也沒有。
歐洲的實力僅次于美國，歐洲現(xiàn)在的問題在于他們太依賴美國了，他們應(yīng)該為自己的軍隊買單，應(yīng)該加強軍事力量（他們完全有能力做到這一點），但是他們在外交政策上實在是太軟弱了，他們不想卷入到任何沖突之中。
這就是為什么英國要離開歐盟的原因。想象一下如果歐盟和美國都擁有龐大的軍事力量，那么將沒有人敢惹西方。
I consider Macron as the most sensible leader in whole western Europe!
我認(rèn)為馬克龍是整個西歐最明智的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人。
Some countries tho like Germany had military restrictions because...you know they were a little too independent 80 years ago.
一些國家，比如德國，在軍事上存在著限制。因為你知道，他們在80年前有點太獨立了。
Well France is the only large European country that actually maintained their army in a good shape and could protect itself.
法國是唯一一個軍隊保持良好狀態(tài)，能夠保護自己的歐洲大國
Poland has a good army. So do the baltic states. Although they are small.
波蘭的軍隊也很好，波羅的海國家的軍隊雖小，但是同樣都很不錯。
@pandabear4565 " Poland has a good army" but they can't send them anywhere else than their territory.
但是波蘭不能將軍隊派到國土以外的任何地方去。
France is simply following it's own interests
法國只是在追求自己的利益。
France? Not Turkey? the country that vehemently opposed Finland and Sweden's request to join NATO.
北約最糟糕的成員國是法國？難道不是土耳其嗎，在芬蘭和瑞典要求加入北約的時候，土耳其激烈反對。
the only reason Turkey got NATO membership is its strategic location
土耳其能夠加入北約的唯一原因就是因為他們地處戰(zhàn)略要地。
Turkey has one of the biggest militaries in the world, that's maybe the reason.
土耳其擁有世界上規(guī)模最大的軍隊之一，這或許就是他們能夠加入北約的原因。
@venkmanny4100 lol, if a large military was the reason to join nato, then why can't China, India and Russia join nato.
哈哈，如果軍隊規(guī)模大就能加入北約，那么為什么中國印度和俄羅斯不能加入北約。
I am French and I want my country to leave NATO
我是法國人，我希望我們國家能夠退出北約。
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The problem isn't France. The problem is Macron. He is incredibly naive.
問題不在于法國，而在于馬克龍。他實在是太天真了
France left nato before. The problem is France
法國之前就退出過北約，所以問題在法國身上。
His government recently anounced to increase Frances military budget by 30% over the next decade. Doesnt really seem that naive towards me. And trust me, Le Pen would be MUCH worse. Her party has repeatedly recieved financial support from russia and she wants to end all military cooperation with other countries, wich would be devastating for the european defense system and would immensly weaken NATO as well.
馬克龍政府最近宣布要在未來十年將法國的軍事預(yù)算提高30%。所以在我看來，馬克龍似乎并沒有那么天真。而且相信我，勒龐會比馬克龍更加糟糕。她所在的政黨多次收到過俄羅斯的資金支持，而且勒龐希望結(jié)束和其他國家之間所有的軍事合作，這將給歐洲防務(wù)系統(tǒng)造成毀滅性的破壞，也將會極大削弱北約的力量。