網(wǎng)友熱議：婆羅門的統(tǒng)治地位在今天的印度仍然存在嗎？
Is Brahmin dominance still true today in India?
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網(wǎng)友：根據(jù)定義，婆羅門并不是統(tǒng)治者，而是老師、導師、科學家、顧問、哲學家等角色。任何人，就只要擁有這些智慧和資格，就可以成為婆羅門。
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婆羅門的統(tǒng)治地位在今天的印度仍然存在嗎？
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Brahmins by definition, aren't the rulers but essentially, teachers, guides, scientists, advisors, philosophers, etc. Anyone, who has attained these wisdoms and qualifications, becomes a Brahmin.
However, people wrongly assume that castes are automatic and by birth.
The wise and knowledgeable persons always dominate others so that they too are guided on correct paths of life.
If someone assumes himself a Brahmin or Kshatriya or Vaisya or Shudra, is absolutely wrong.
根據(jù)定義，婆羅門并不是統(tǒng)治者，而是老師、導師、科學家、顧問、哲學家等角色。任何人，就只要擁有這些智慧和資格，就可以成為婆羅門。
但人們錯誤地認為種姓是天生的。
有智慧、有知識的人總是要管理別人，讓他們能接受引導，走上正確的人生道路。
如果有人自稱是婆羅門、剎帝利、毗濕奴或首陀羅，那是絕對錯誤的。
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Yes Brahmins are very dominant in every sphere. Exactly I have seen this with my own eyes. In my team, there were 3 guys alongwith 2 bosses (Both Brahmins). I had the best profile (from reserved quota). But still I am given low level work and the other Brahmin guys are given all the best and plum works. As a result, my annual appraisals are suffering and I get low grades. If I say anything, I am being scolded like anything. And my Brahmin colleagues are treated so well like pigs. Naturally, I am going into depression and suffering mentally.
Brahmins are a curse to our society.
是的，婆羅門在每個領(lǐng)域都占據(jù)統(tǒng)治地位。沒錯，這是我親眼所見的。我的團隊中有3個員工和2個老板(都是婆羅門)。我的能力是最優(yōu)秀的，但我仍然得干低級的工作，而其他婆羅門人就能得到最好的工作。我的年度評估因此也很糟糕，得分很低。不管我說什么，都會被責罵，而我的婆羅門同事卻被人捧上天。我因此陷入了抑郁和精神上的痛苦。
婆羅門就是印度社會的詛咒。
The notion of Brahmin dominance in India is a complex and nuanced topic that varies across regions, communities, and social contexts. Brahmins, historically positioned as the priestly and intellectual class within the Hindu caste system, have wielded significant influence in certain spheres of Indian society, particularly in religious and cultural domains.
However, it's important to recognize that India has undergone significant social, political, and economic changes over the years, including efforts to address caste-based discrimination and promote social equality. Government policies and affirmative action measures, such as reservations in education and employment for historically marginalized groups, have aimed to mitigate the effects of caste-based disparities.
婆羅門在印度的統(tǒng)治地位是一個復(fù)雜而微妙的話題，因不同地區(qū)、社區(qū)和社會背景而異。婆羅門在歷史上是印度教種姓制度中的祭司和知識分子階級，在印度社會的某些領(lǐng)域，特別是在宗教和文化領(lǐng)域，有著舉足輕重的影響力。
但我們也要看到，多年來印度經(jīng)歷了重大的社會、政治和經(jīng)濟變革，包括解決基于種姓的歧視、促進社會平等的努力。印度政府的政策和平權(quán)行動措施，例如在教育和就業(yè)方面為歷史上處于邊緣地位的弱勢群體預(yù)留名額，減輕基于種姓的不平等現(xiàn)象。
Moreover, discussions about caste and its implications are ongoing in Indian society, with movements advocating for social justice, equality, and the empowerment of marginalized communities. Therefore, while Brahmin influence may persist in some contexts, it is not accurate to characterize it as a universal or unchanging aspect of contemporary Indian society.
雖然婆羅門在某些領(lǐng)域，尤其是在宗教機構(gòu)和傳統(tǒng)職業(yè)中仍具有一定的影響力，但他們的統(tǒng)治地位已經(jīng)不復(fù)往昔了。印度的社會形勢十分多樣、不斷變化，出身不同種姓和背景的個人都積極參與公共生活的各個方面。
此外，印度社會也一直開展種姓及其影響的討論，發(fā)起倡導社會正義、平等、賦予邊緣群體權(quán)力的運動。所以，雖然在某些情況下婆羅門的影響可能持續(xù)存在，但已經(jīng)不再是當代印度社會的普遍或不變的特色了。
No. Power lies with all people in a de ocracy. If you take any specific upper caste, they are in minority.
Neither there is any concrete evidence that it was it true in past because powerful Kings came from different castes.
不。在皿煮國家，權(quán)力屬于全體人民。如果你拿某個特定的高種姓來說事，他們只是少數(shù)群體。
也沒有任何具體的證據(jù)可以證明這曾經(jīng)是事實，因為有很多國王就來自不同的種姓出身。
There is no dominance of Brahmin. In opposite I observed that the people of SC, ST community are getting higher position on the basis of reservation and then they are torchering the open community people to take revange because they have mindset that their ancestors were exploited and torched by open community people.
婆羅門并沒有占據(jù)統(tǒng)治地位。相反，我觀察到表內(nèi)種姓, 表內(nèi)部落的民眾基于預(yù)留制獲得了更高的地位，然后他們對開放社區(qū)的民眾進行報復(fù)。因為他們有一種心態(tài)，認為他們的祖輩受到了開放社區(qū)民眾的剝削和壓迫。
The current BJP and Congress of 80s are Brahmin dominated. As long as they are in power hatred across communities will exst.
目前的人民黨和80年代的國大黨是以婆羅門為主的。只要他們掌權(quán)，社區(qū)之間的仇恨就會一直存在。
Disclaimer : I am not For or Against any religion or caste or group. I am writing this as an Indian who has suffered discrimination and pain over generations because of those. You may please correct me if I am wrong with true facts , else ignore and pass by. Thanks.
The answer is YES. Of course.
May not be now. But they were doing nothing other than proving that they were god’s agent and they want them to be placed in a very important position in the society. ( Does it mean dominance? )
免責聲明：我不支持也不反對任何宗教、種姓或群體。我寫這篇文章，單純是因為我是印度人，印度人世代都在遭受歧視和痛苦。如果我說錯了什么，請不吝指教，否則請忽略并跳過。謝謝。
答案是肯定的。當然存在。
也許不是現(xiàn)在。但他們過去一直在做的事就是證明自己是上帝的代表，他們希望自己在社會中具有非常重要的地位。(這是不是就意味著統(tǒng)治地位？)
在印度，各個社區(qū)根據(jù)所從事工作的不同進行分組，并沒有高低之分。就是因為這些人站在上帝(雕像)旁邊，自稱“我的地位最高”，其他人也開始爭先恐后排出了第二，第三，第四等等，這才導致了基于種姓出身的社會歧視。
許多職業(yè)相互依存，都是人類生活中不可缺少的。而唯一可以或缺的職業(yè)就是那些婆羅門所做的事情。沒有婆羅門，普通人才可以直接與上帝聯(lián)系。為什么我們需要中間人呢？他們?yōu)榱吮３肿约旱牡匚?，利用了上帝。我們離不開裁縫、理發(fā)師、教師、音樂家或其他職業(yè)。難道我們離了梵學家或普羅希特就沒法活了嗎？為什么沒人傳授我們那些對人類而言必不可缺的禱文？為什么只有那一小撮人能接觸禱文？
Our India is very very diverse with culture and living. But still, every corner those discrimination still exsts.
他們應(yīng)該允許其他人學習、教學，這樣社區(qū)才能發(fā)展成一個整體。人們花了100年才明白這一點，現(xiàn)在你自己就看得到結(jié)果了。每個人都有學習和進步的權(quán)利。
我們印度的文化和生活非常豐富多樣。但是，這些歧視仍然存在于社會的每個角落。
One simple question. Why is such a hatred on Brahmins? Why are they questioned and cornered. There should be a reason right? Unless they sow they cannot reap. It is as simple as that.
Nevertheless. Everything is changing very fast. I have couple of friends from that section, who suffer such hatreds for no mistake of them. I wish all of us grow together embracing all human, kee caste and creeds away.
一個簡單的問題。為什么對婆羅門人如此仇恨？為什么他們受到質(zhì)疑和困擾?？隙ㄓ性虬桑坑泄赜幸?，就是這么簡單。
但世間萬物都在快速變化。我有幾個朋友就來自那個群體，他們平白無故遭受了這樣的仇恨。我希望我們所有人都共同成長，擁抱所有人，遠離種姓和信仰。
No Brahmin dominance in India after the rising of OBC post Mandal Committee recommendations. The only dominant social group is OBC in India. Since they are the majority community in India. Dominant OBC groups do not care about Brahmins. Hinduism custodianship has passed from Brahmins to other castes mainly the OBC who are in the fore front for safeguarding Hindu interests and they have become the dominant social group.
在曼達爾委員會提出建議后，印度的婆羅門不再占據(jù)統(tǒng)治地位了。目前唯一占據(jù)統(tǒng)治地位的社會群體是印度的落后階層。因為他們才是印度的主流群體。落后階層不關(guān)心婆羅門。印度教的監(jiān)護權(quán)已經(jīng)從婆羅門轉(zhuǎn)移到其他種姓，主要是落后階層手中，他們站到了維護印度教利益的最前線，已經(jīng)成為占據(jù)統(tǒng)治地位的社會群體。
Actual hierarchy is Kshathriya, Braahmin, Vysya, Sudra / Soo-dr;
History shows when people of higher class oppress lower class, rebellion takes place; same thing happened within Hindus; Kings or rulers became greedy, obsessed with worldly pleasures, etc;
Braahmin dominance is true, but not in all walks of life! Braahmins have genetically higher intelligence, due to their practice of daily rituals, reciting of mantras, etc;
If a non-braahmin practices such systems, in 2–3 generations later, NextGen kids will be smarter than rest!
真實的等級體系應(yīng)該是剎帝利，婆羅門，吠舍，首陀羅。
歷史表明，當上層階級壓迫下層階級時，就會發(fā)生叛亂；印度教徒內(nèi)部也發(fā)生了同樣的事；國王或統(tǒng)治者變得貪婪，沉迷于世俗的享樂。
婆羅門的統(tǒng)治地位是不假，但并非在各行各業(yè)都是如此！婆羅門有更高的智力基因，這是因為他們?nèi)諒?fù)一日地實踐日常儀式，背誦咒語等。
如果其他種姓也這么做，那么在2-3代之后，他們的后代也會比其他人聰明的！
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According to me, a gentleman or gentlewoman who is capable of asking questions on Quora, is highly educated and very well informed. He/she will be reading news items on both print media and electronic media and kee him/herself abreast of the goings on in India. It is tangible and palpable that who is dominating whom, who, despite having high cerebral prowess, is placed on the backburner and who, despite being average is placed on high pedestal in India. He/she is also aware of the ill-effects of such open discrimination. There is a saying - there is no need of a mirror to see the wound on one’s palm. But people still ask questions and people like me, in order to remove the mental cobwebs occupying some minds, waste our precious time..
在我看來，一個有能力在Quora上提問的先生或女士，肯定受過高等教育，見多識廣。他/她可以閱讀紙質(zhì)媒體和電子媒體上的新聞，了解印度的最新動態(tài)。在印度，誰在統(tǒng)治誰是顯而易見的，誰空有聰明才智卻被無法施展，而誰盡管資質(zhì)平平卻被捧得很高。他/她也意識到這種公開歧視的不良影響。有句話說得好—手掌上的傷口無需鏡子也能看到。但人們還是會問問題，而我這樣的人，為了清除某些人腦中的混亂思維，浪費了自己寶貴的時間…
I don’t see their dominance.
They are mostly discriminated in the name of Brahmin.
They are good people. Even one of close friend is Brahmin, we have no problem.
Its a political thing to say about hindus and castes
我沒看出他們的優(yōu)勢。
他們大多都因為婆羅門的身份而受到歧視。
他們都是好人。就算我有一個婆羅門密友，我也覺得OK。
這是有關(guān)印度教徒和種姓的政治話題。
Not at all!!!! The times when Brahmins used to teach and lead all the castes are gone. Consider this:
I have seen Brahmins working as a barber in barber shops.
I know Brahmins working as security guards.
Brahmins are driving autos.
Brahmins are working as labours in construction sites.
Brahmins are working as a sweeper in municipality offices.
Brahmins are working as a worker in leather factories.
Brahmins are selling Bhel puri at road side thelas.
Only in rural areas of our country, still you can see Brahmins trying to be superior. In cities everything has changed. Today an educated and rich person don't need a surname. I have seen 10’s of my friends who are from lower castes, running factories and offices and giving jobs to several Brahmins.
Times are changing.
完全沒有了?。?！婆羅門教導和領(lǐng)導所有種姓的時代已經(jīng)一去不復(fù)返了。想想看：
我見過婆羅門在理發(fā)店當理發(fā)師。
我認識婆羅門在當保安。
婆羅門在開汽車。
婆羅門在建筑工地做苦力。
婆羅門在市政辦公室做清潔工。
婆羅門在皮革工廠當工人。
婆羅門在路邊賣普里餅。
只有在印度的農(nóng)村地區(qū)，還能看到婆羅門試圖維持自己的優(yōu)越感。但在城市里，一切都變了。如今，受過良好教育的富人不需要姓氏。我有10多個低種姓朋友在經(jīng)營工廠和辦公室，給幾個婆羅門提供工作崗位。
時過境遷啦。
I think it is there from ancient times till today. Nobody cares brahmins from ancient times till today. It is only on paper.
我覺得，從古至今都是如此。從來都沒有人關(guān)心婆羅門，一切都只是紙上說說而已。
No! The majority is being discriminated and supressed at any way the so called helpless minorities can!
不！大多數(shù)人受到各種歧視和壓迫，而所謂的弱勢少數(shù)群體反倒能作威作福！