QA:如果烏克蘭士兵不足,波蘭會加入進來(因為他們與俄羅斯有過節(jié)),幫助烏克蘭將俄羅斯人趕走嗎?
If Ukraine runs low on soldiers, will Poland join in (since they have a bone to pick with Russia) and help Ukraine to push the Russians out?譯文簡介
看看烏克蘭,這個國家被摧毀了,年輕人被大量殺害。美化烏克蘭戰(zhàn)爭的人,忽視了烏克蘭正在發(fā)生的事情。沒有人希望這發(fā)生在他們自己的國家和他們的年輕人身上。
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If Ukraine runs low on soldiers, will Poland join in (since they have a bone to pick with Russia) and help Ukraine to push the Russians out?
如果烏克蘭士兵不足,波蘭會加入進來(因為他們與俄羅斯有過節(jié)),幫助烏克蘭將俄羅斯人趕走嗎?
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In short: No.
As much as they might want to they are a part of NATO which means that they do not act alone.
There is a joint action component to this defensive / offensive alliance, i.e. NATO.
If they went to war on their own then it would be an illegal action without the backing of NATO allies so no, Poland would not join in unless Article 5 was invoked, most conventionally triggered by they or another NATO ally being attacked, dragging the entirety of 31 nations including the USA into war against the opposing nation. Poland would not risk standing alone as losing NATO support is entirely not worth it politically, economically, and militarily. This is what makes NATO mighty and feared by Russia. As you can see, not even Ukraine, a diluted NATO proxy state by current standards, was able to be conquered by Russia. Imagine if they tried to invade a proper NATO country and face the might of 31 of the most developed and powerful militaries on the planet at once.
Currently, Poland has not been directly attacked by Russian military during this conflict to date so do not have legal basis to trigger this Article 5 clause.
Poland is, however, working towards assembling one of the largest ground armies in Europe largely as a deterrent and response towards Russian aggression, spending upwards of 5% of their GDP on the military starting in 2023. The NATO minimum is 2% and historically has been below this. Already at 22nd ranked military by the military power index, by decade end, Poland would be a mistake to invade by conventional military means, by essentially any European (Russia included) army.
簡短回答:不會
他們想加入北約,就是因為他們不想要單獨行動。
這個防御/進攻聯(lián)盟有一個聯(lián)合行動部分,即北約。
如果他們自己發(fā)動戰(zhàn)爭,那么在沒有北約盟友支持的情況下,這將是一種非法行動。
因此,不會,除非援引第5條,否則波蘭不會加入。第5條,就是如果他們或另一個北約盟友受到攻擊,包括美國在內(nèi)的整個31個國家將被拖入對抗對方的戰(zhàn)爭。
波蘭不會冒險孤軍奮戰(zhàn),因為這會失去北約的支持,在政治、經(jīng)濟和軍事上完全不值得。
這就是北約強大的原因,也是俄羅斯所害怕的原因。
正如你所看到的,即使是烏克蘭,按照目前的標準,一個被稀釋的北約代理國,俄羅斯也無法征服。
想象一下,如果他們試圖入侵一個合適的北約國家,并同時面對地球上31支最發(fā)達、最強大的軍隊的力量。
目前,波蘭尚未在這場沖突中受到俄羅斯軍方的直接襲擊,因此沒有觸發(fā)第5條條款的法律依據(jù)。
然而,波蘭正在努力組建歐洲最大的地面部隊之一,主要是為了威懾和應對俄羅斯的侵略,從2023年開始,波蘭將其國內(nèi)生產(chǎn)總值的5%以上用于軍事。北約的最低標準是2%,歷史上一直低于這一標準。根據(jù)軍事力量指數(shù),波蘭已經(jīng)排在第22位,到十年結束時,通過常規(guī)軍事手段入侵波蘭將是一個錯誤,基本上任何歐洲(包括俄羅斯)軍隊都是如此。
Poland gives so much aid to Ukraine because it wants to make sure that after the war Russia will be too exhausted to even think about starting a conflict with another country, let alone NATO. It also realizes that Ukraine is demographically finished and wants to avoid its fate.
波蘭向烏克蘭提供如此多的援助,是因為它想確保戰(zhàn)爭結束后,俄羅斯會筋疲力盡,再也不會去考慮與另一個國家爆發(fā)沖突了,更不用說北約爆發(fā)沖突了。波蘭也意識到烏克蘭在人口結構上已經(jīng)完蛋了,并希望自己可以避免這樣的命運。
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There are a lot of polish people that do want to fight Russia. The vast majority of poles that feel that way though and would ever actually do anything about it have already volunteered to fight for Ukraine.
I doubt very much though that the polish government itself is actually stupid enough to try going to war with Russia, and that's only compounded by the fact that the many poles who did want to go to war were a very loud minority, who, as I said, have already run off to fight. Poland is just very big on the anti Russian rhetoric right now because it makes them money as Ukraine's supply hub, and makes them look good to the US and UK. Maybe they have an eye on finding a way to acquire western Ukrainian provinces, which the Russians don't really want and were historically polish anyway, and thanks to close ties to Poland and the anti Russian rhetoric the western Ukrainians just might be amenable to that of things go sideways enough for them.
But no, Poland will not go to war with Russia. It would cost them everything and for no benefit.
有很多波蘭人確實想與俄羅斯作戰(zhàn)。絕大多數(shù)有這種感覺的波蘭人已經(jīng)自愿為烏克蘭而戰(zhàn)。
然而,我非常懷疑波蘭政府本身是否真的愚蠢到試圖與俄羅斯開戰(zhàn),而事實上,許多想開戰(zhàn)的波蘭人都是非常大聲的少數(shù)人,正如我所說,他們已經(jīng)跑去打仗了。
波蘭現(xiàn)在在反俄言論上非常強硬,因為它作為烏克蘭的供應中心,一直在賺錢。這使得他們在美國和英國看來很好。
也許他們正在尋找一種方法來收購烏克蘭西部的省份,而俄羅斯人并不真的想要這些省份,而且在歷史上這些省份一直是波蘭的。由于這些省份與波蘭的密切關系和反俄言論,烏克蘭人可能會接受這種情況。
但是,不會,波蘭不會與俄羅斯開戰(zhàn)。因為這將使他們付出一切,而且沒有任何好處。
Poland and Russia are unlikely to go to war. Poland is a member of NATO, has a pretty big army, and is very cautious about this; there is a lot of history there. And if Poland actually attacks a nuclear armed opponent, NATO has no obligation to help them. So Poland would go from 99.9999 % safe to 0% safe if they attacked Russia. Europe can give Ukraine at lot of weapons. Eventually Ukraine will have better equipment that Russia and better, more experienced, soldiers. And Poland and the Baltics will always give the most, because of the bear next door. Russia is likely to have bigger numbers of soldiers though.
波蘭和俄羅斯不太可能開戰(zhàn)。波蘭是北約成員國,擁有相當龐大的軍隊,對此非常謹慎。此處有很多歷史。
如果波蘭真的襲擊了擁有核武器的對手,北約沒有義務幫助他們。
因此,如果波蘭攻擊俄羅斯,他們的安全性將從99.9999%變成0%。
歐洲可以向烏克蘭提供大量武器。最終,烏克蘭將擁有比俄羅斯更好的裝備,以及更好、更有經(jīng)驗的士兵。
波蘭和波羅的海國家將永遠給予最多,因為隔壁有熊。不過,俄羅斯可能會有更多的士兵。
Ukraine has more than enough soldiers and can mobilize more.
Ukraine runs low on military equipment and ammo. And Ukraine lacks training of soldiers - especially training of sergeants and officers and training on modern Western military equipment.
The best way to help Ukraine is not to send foreign soldiers but to significantly increase training of Ukrainian soldiers in Western countries and to give Ukraine much more military equipment - especially planes, tanks and long-range missiles. The number of Leopard tanks given to Ukriane is definitely not enough for big offensive operations against strong defense organized by Russia. Russia still has big advantage in number of artillery systems and tanks and especially planes. Without all mentioned above equipment in big numbers and without appropriate training it will be extremely hard to push Russian army from Ukraine (no matter how many soldiers from how many countries are sent to help).
烏克蘭有足夠的士兵,可以動員更多的人。
烏克蘭的軍事裝備和彈藥不足。烏克蘭缺乏對士兵的培訓,尤其是對中士和軍官的培訓,以及對現(xiàn)代西方軍事裝備的培訓。
幫助烏克蘭的最好方法不是派遣外國士兵,而是大幅增加對烏克蘭士兵在西方國家的訓練,并向烏克蘭提供更多的軍事裝備,尤其是飛機、坦克和遠程導彈。
烏克蘭豹式坦克的數(shù)量絕對不足以應對俄羅斯組織的針對強大防御的大規(guī)模進攻行動。俄羅斯在火炮系統(tǒng)和坦克,尤其是飛機的數(shù)量上仍然有很大的優(yōu)勢。如果沒有上述所有大量裝備,也沒有適當?shù)挠柧?,將極難將俄羅斯軍隊從烏克蘭撤出(無論有多少國家的士兵被派去提供幫助都一樣)。
This idea to fight Russia for Ukraine should never be considered. Poland is an independent country and moving forward as a tech nation and a great example of the significant strides Poland has become after Iron Curtain rule for so many years. It’s time has come to now move forward as a country with significant Engineering/technology progress and a bright future. This fighting bravado needs to remain only as a topic for old retired men to discuss in bars. A war is NEVER a solution. The United States and the Biden administration is corrupt for what they are doing with the Zellensky puppet government. This “humanitarian “ effort will go down as yet another failed attempt Im sorry to say as Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. I am an American with Polish roots who loves America but our current political Ukraine situation is a failed proposal of monumental proportions.
這種為烏克蘭與俄羅斯作戰(zhàn)的想法,永遠不應該被考慮。
波蘭是一個獨立的國家,正在作為一個科技國家向前邁進,這是波蘭在鐵幕統(tǒng)治多年后取得重大進步的一個偉大例子。
作為一個工程/技術進步顯著、前景光明的國家,現(xiàn)在是時候向前邁進了。
這種戰(zhàn)斗的虛張聲勢行為,只需要作為退休老人在酒吧里討論的話題。戰(zhàn)爭從來都不是解決辦法。
美國和拜登政府對澤倫斯基傀儡政府的所作所為是墮落的。這一“人道主義”努力將被視為又一次失敗的嘗試。我很抱歉地說,會像越南、伊拉克和阿富汗一樣。
我是一個有波蘭血統(tǒng)的美國人,熱愛美國,但我們目前的烏克蘭政治局勢是一個巨大的失敗提議。
Poland actually wanted to send troops into Ukraine shortly after the invasion but was swayed not to do so by NATO, as Poland is a NATO member. This reaction could’ve quickly escalated the conflict into a full-blown attack on Russia by all Article 5 nations.
However, should Ukraine fall, Poland without a doubt would more than likely forgo their NATO membership and send troops into Ukraine.
I had to look into why the animosity between Poland and Russia is so high. Russia considers Poland to be part of Russia (very similar to Ukraine) and Putin ultimately wants all past territories back within Moscow’s influence. Russia has not treated Poland very kindly in the past either. Ukraine is literally the buffer between Poland’s borders and Russia. Should Ukraine fall, Russia would be at Poland’s back door. Poland seems hell-bent on not allowing this to happen… ever!
事實上,波蘭在俄羅斯入侵后不久就想向烏克蘭派遣軍隊,但由于波蘭是北約成員國,北約決定不派遣軍隊。這種反應可能會迅速將沖突升級為所有北約國家因為第5條而對俄羅斯發(fā)起全面攻擊。
然而,如果烏克蘭淪陷,毫無疑問,波蘭很可能會放棄其北約成員國身份,并向烏克蘭派遣軍隊。
我不得不探究為什么波蘭和俄羅斯之間的敵意如此之高。俄羅斯認為波蘭是俄羅斯的一部分(與烏克蘭非常相似),普京最終希望所有過去的領土都回到莫斯科的影響范圍內(nèi)。俄羅斯過去對波蘭也不是很友善。烏克蘭實際上是波蘭與俄羅斯邊界之間的緩沖區(qū)。如果烏克蘭淪陷,俄羅斯將站在波蘭的后門口。波蘭似乎會下定決心不允許這種情況發(fā)生……永遠不允許!
Look at Ukraine, country destroyed, young men killed in huge number. People who glorify Ukrainians are ignoring what happened in Ukraine. Nobody wish that on their own country and their young men.
Gradually propaganda dust is settling, Europeans see what happened in Ukraine, they came to the realization that Russia is fully capable to completely destroy their countries if it must. There is no right or wrong but reality of war, might is right! Poles are not known to be the sharpest tools in the shed, but they can see it up close.
看看烏克蘭,這個國家被摧毀了,年輕人被大量殺害。美化烏克蘭戰(zhàn)爭的人,忽視了烏克蘭正在發(fā)生的事情。沒有人希望這發(fā)生在他們自己的國家和他們的年輕人身上。
漸漸地,宣傳塵埃落定,歐洲人看到了烏克蘭發(fā)生的事情,他們意識到,如果有必要的話,俄羅斯完全有能力徹底摧毀他們的國家。沒有對錯之分,戰(zhàn)爭的現(xiàn)實,就是強權即真理!波蘭人不是作為最強戰(zhàn)力而聞名,他們可以在近代史中看到這個現(xiàn)實。
As much as the Poles would like to kick some Russian butt they are a NATO country so that could start WW3. This is exactly what NATO is trying to avoid by sending billions of $ of weapons for the Ukrainians to fight with.
盡管波蘭人很想踢俄羅斯的屁股,但他們是一個北約國家,所以可以開始第三次世界大戰(zhàn)。第三次世界大戰(zhàn)正是北約試圖通過向烏克蘭人運送數(shù)十億美元的武器來避免的。
No. It would be extremely stupid and dangerous. With zero chances to defeat ruSSia.
不,那將是極其愚蠢和危險的。擊敗俄羅斯的機會為零。
Ukraine is rated as the 15th most powerful military in the world. Poland comes in at 20th. If Ukraine can’t beat Russia with the aid of 30 other countries, Poland has even less chance.
Sure, Poland could drag NATO into direct confrontation, but that would probably mean global thermonuclear war and nobody wins that, just surviving it is iffy.
烏克蘭被評為世界上第15大軍事強國。波蘭隊排在第20位。如果烏克蘭不能在其他30個國家的援助下?lián)魯《砹_斯,波蘭的機會就更小了。
當然,波蘭可能會將北約拖入直接對抗,但這可能意味著全球熱核戰(zhàn)爭,沒有人會贏,能不能生存下來都是不確定的。
On such matters, governments don't act as sentimental individuals. They provide aid and do not want to be in a war unless attacked.
I don't think that Polish politicians shall be like individual sentimental lot to go for a war without being attacked.
My Best Wishes.
在這些問題上,政府不會表現(xiàn)得像個感情用事的人。他們提供援助,除非受到攻擊,否則不想卷入戰(zhàn)爭。
我不認為波蘭政客會像個人一樣感情用事地發(fā)動戰(zhàn)爭,并認為自己不會受到攻擊。
送上我最美好的祝愿。
Poland will never join in. The destruction from battling Russia is simply too horrendous for any individual country. Or even any group of countries. NATO would back out of joining Poland. As it is, NATO is suffering enormous losses from Ukraine alone, and NATO’s members are starting to squeal from the pain.
波蘭永遠不會加入。與俄羅斯作戰(zhàn)造成的破壞對任何一個國家來說都太可怕了。甚至對任何一組國家來說,都是如此。如果波蘭加入了,北約將把波蘭踢出去。事實上,僅烏克蘭一國就給北約造成了巨大損失,北約成員國也開始從痛苦中尖叫起來。