中國(guó)唐代人真的崇拜稍微肥胖的女性嗎？

@Robert Hansen
The Emperor genuinely loved her because she played hard to get in the opening years of their relationship. She is also almost single handedly responsible for allowing the An Lushan Rebellion to happen, the 2nd most destructive rebellion in Chinese history, killing some 30 million people
My kind of woman. 

皇帝真心愛(ài)她，因?yàn)樵谒麄冴P(guān)系的最初幾年里，她表現(xiàn)得很難接近。她還幾乎一手促成了安祿山叛亂的發(fā)生，這是中國(guó)歷史上第二大最具破壞性的叛亂，造成約3000萬(wàn)人死亡'
就是我家那位女人。

@Shun Bot
i caN fix HeR! 

我能治好她！

@Robert Hansen
I have never failed to fix her, gracefully end that relationship, fix someone else, and repeat. I even got a Bulgarian fem-NEET into gainful employment.

我從未失敗過(guò)，成功地解決了她的問(wèn)題，優(yōu)雅地結(jié)束那段關(guān)系，然后治好另一個(gè)人，再次重復(fù)。我甚至讓一個(gè)保加利亞的宅女找到了有酬工作。

@Aquilevante
The Emperor genuinely loved her because she played hard to get in the opening years of their relationship. She is also almost single handedly responsible for allowing the An Lushan Rebellion to happen, the 2nd most destructive rebellion in Chinese history, killing some 30 million people (that would be more than the entire population of Europe at the time).
That's not her fault, the Emperor was incompetent.

皇帝真心愛(ài)她，因?yàn)樵谒麄冴P(guān)系的最初幾年里，她表現(xiàn)得很難接近。她還幾乎以一己之力促成了安祿山叛亂的發(fā)生，這是中國(guó)歷史上第二次最具破壞性的叛亂，造成約3000萬(wàn)人死亡（這比當(dāng)時(shí)歐洲的總?cè)丝谶€多）。
這不是她的錯(cuò)，是皇帝無(wú)能。

@Zane Liu
Xuanzong was responsible for taking the Tang to its zenith in the first half of his reign.
Hardly an incompetent ruler. Rather, a fallen hero.

玄宗在他統(tǒng)治的前半段將唐朝推向了鼎盛時(shí)期。
算不上一個(gè)無(wú)能的統(tǒng)治者。相反，是一個(gè)倒下的英雄。

@Alexander Christopher
Incompetent also doesn’t mean anyone using the emperor’s incompetence for gain is guiltless. In her case, she introduced her cousin Yang Guozhong to the court and he was pretty much blamed for the An Lushan rebellion. Emperor accepted Yang Guozhong because he was heads over heels for her and because Yang Guozhong himself is good at flattering the emperor. But he couldn’t have been in that position had not for Yang Guifei.

無(wú)能也不意味著任何利用皇帝的無(wú)能謀取利益的人都是無(wú)罪的。在她的案件中，她將她的表弟楊國(guó)忠介紹給朝廷，他因安祿山叛亂而受到指責(zé)。皇帝接受楊國(guó)忠，是因?yàn)樗麑?duì)她神魂顛倒，也因?yàn)闂顕?guó)忠本人善于奉承皇帝。但如果沒(méi)有楊貴妃，他不可能處于這個(gè)位置。

@Shun Bot
Not really. The story goes that all his advisors warned him not to trust An Lushan, but Yang insisted he keep promoting the guy because she found him charming.

并不是真的。據(jù)說(shuō)，他所有的顧問(wèn)都警告他不要相信安祿山，但楊堅(jiān)持要他繼續(xù)提拔這個(gè)人，因?yàn)樗l(fā)現(xiàn)他很有魅力。

@Aquilevante
Tells a lot that the Emperor was made dumb by a woman, but not the woman's fault because he had been warned. Yet still history blame Yang Guifei because of her gender. That's the Emperor's fault if he was hardly incompetent.

說(shuō)了很多，皇帝被一個(gè)女人弄傻了，但這不是女人的錯(cuò)，因?yàn)樗呀?jīng)被警告過(guò)。然而，歷史仍然因?yàn)闂钯F妃的性別而指責(zé)她。如果皇帝不是無(wú)能的話，那就是他的錯(cuò)。

@Kenneth Knight
I first learned about this era through a historical fantasy written as a carbon copy of the late Tang, Under Heaven, by Guy Gavriel Kay. Fascinating historical period!
And the more you look into it, the wilder it gets when you consider the Central Asian and Iranian effects from exiled Sasanian princes to Zoroastrian Bukharans serving under An Li.

我第一次了解到這個(gè)時(shí)代，是通過(guò)一部歷史幻想小說(shuō)《天地?zé)o窮》，該書(shū)由蓋·加夫里爾·凱所寫(xiě)，是晚唐時(shí)期的復(fù)刻版。這個(gè)歷史時(shí)期非常迷人！而且你研究得越深入，就越會(huì)發(fā)現(xiàn)它的狂野之處，尤其是考慮到來(lái)自中亞和伊朗的影響，從流亡的薩珊王子到在安祿山手下效力的拜火教信徒。

@@U??ata Nērmai
Why is she single-handedly blamed for the An Lushan rebellion when they are other people who far more to be blamed.

為什么安祿山叛亂的罪魁禍?zhǔn)资撬粋€(gè)人，而更多的罪魁禍?zhǔn)讌s是其他人。

@Shun Bot 
Because she convinced the Emperor to keep promoting An Lushan into higher and more dangerous military commands. His other advisors warned him against it, but he let his dick get the better of him.

因?yàn)樗f(shuō)服了皇帝繼續(xù)將安祿山提升到更高、更危險(xiǎn)的軍事指揮位置上。他的其他顧問(wèn)警告他不要這樣做，但他卻讓自己的雞巴戰(zhàn)勝了自己。

@U??ata Nērmai
Tbh, that more the emperor’s fault. I think his minister chancellor Li Linfu and Guozhong were more to be blamed

說(shuō)實(shí)話，這更多的是皇帝的錯(cuò)。我認(rèn)為他的宰相李林甫和國(guó)忠更應(yīng)該受到指責(zé)

@Shun Bot 順博特
Nah, I’m gonna blame the woman.

不，我要責(zé)怪那個(gè)女人。

@U??ata Nērmai
Typical Confucian 

典型的儒家

@Vigilanting
Also fat back then does not mean obese. If yang guifei went to Walmart, she would be average. People gotta get their image of plus sized models out of their head.

而且那時(shí)候胖并不代表肥胖。如果楊貴妃去沃爾瑪，她就很普通了。人們必須擺脫大碼模特的印象。

@Bryan Goh
I remember there was a hotpot restaurant that offered a dish which was basically a barbie doll dressed in slices of raw lamb. It was called the Yang Guifei set. 

我記得有一家火鍋店提供的菜肴基本上是一個(gè)穿著生羊肉片的芭比娃娃。被稱為楊貴妃套裝。 

@Rohan Pishar Lahor
HMMm would love to fondle the mini melons..
Sorry for being an embarrassment to my race , due to Caste systems doctrines and backwards cultures.

嗯，很想撫摸這些小瓜。
抱歉，由于種姓制度和落后文化，讓我的種族感到尷尬。

@Long Huang
tittys aside I appreciate the attention to detail in the background of the last painting.

撇開(kāi)乃子不談，我很欣賞最后一幅畫(huà)背景中對(duì)細(xì)節(jié)的關(guān)注。

@Harry Lao
Chubby, small lips, small feet, etc

胖乎乎的、小嘴唇的、小腳的等等

@Jhon Halim
Naturally, she’s topless, cause Japan.
lol , AV industry ancestor

當(dāng)然，她是赤裸上身的，因?yàn)槿毡尽?br /> 哈哈，AV界始祖

@xihang Yang
she was marriage to his son right and even gad a child with him.

她與他的兒子結(jié)婚了，甚至還和他生了一個(gè)孩子。

@Chris Crox
isn’t that Wu Zetian ?

那不是武則天嗎？

@孫xin
你說(shuō)的是武則天

@Shun Bot
Wrong girl.

錯(cuò)誤的女孩。

@?á ?i
The aesthetics of people in the Tang Dynasty were truly problematic
Women's hanfu during the Tang Dynasty were similar to korea hanbok , they were both extremely... ugly
Even if you give the most beautiful person something to wear, you cannot save them

唐朝人的審美確實(shí)有問(wèn)題
唐代女性的漢服和韓國(guó)的韓服很相似，都極其...丑陋
即使你給最美麗的人一些衣服，你也無(wú)法拯救他們

@Shun Bot
Women's hanfu during the Tang Dynasty were similar to korea hanbok , they were both extremely... ugly
You’re right. The two are literally identical.
In other news, Biden and Trump are literally the same person because I too, am blind.

唐代女性的漢服和韓國(guó)的韓服很相似，都極其...丑陋
你說(shuō)得對(duì)。兩者在字面上是相同的。
在其他新聞中，拜登和特朗普實(shí)際上是同一個(gè)人，因?yàn)槲乙彩敲と恕?br />
@Tim Tran
The reason was that the fatter you were, the wealthier you were, as it meant that you were fed well. This made fat women very much adored and desired. However, there was always a limit. Fat and fat to the point where your skin just melts off your body are completely different. And although being fat was a desired trait, it doesn't mean that skinnier women weren't desired. It was a diverse society, so it obviously would have many different people with many different standards. However, being overweight was still the main desired trait.
Even one of the most popular Hanfu styles at the time allowed fat women to have beautiful aesthetics. Ruqun was a very favored Hanfu that revealed the cleave, but completely covered the waist, yet made the attire flow to the wind. Favored hairstyles were buns or styles that allowed the roundness of plump faces to shine. Foot binding wasn't popularized at this time yet, since women were extremely liberal at this time.
One of the Four Beauties that lived during Tang was Yang Guifei, and she was described to be quite plump and round. Imagine the beauty standards back then that enabled women of the heavy side to be considered as one of the 4 most beautiful women in ancient China.

因?yàn)槟阍脚?，你就越富有，因?yàn)檫@意味著你吃得好。這讓胖女人非常受人喜愛(ài)和被渴望。然而，總有一個(gè)限度。脂肪和脂肪到皮膚剛剛從身體上融化的程度是完全不同的。盡管肥胖是一種理想的特征，但這并不意味著苗條的女性不受歡迎。這是一個(gè)多元化的社會(huì)，因此顯然會(huì)有許多不同的人，有許多不同的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。然而，超重仍然是主要的期望特征。
即便是當(dāng)時(shí)最流行的漢服款式之一，也讓微胖的女性擁有了美麗的審美。儒裙是一種非常受歡迎的漢服，它露有點(diǎn)開(kāi)叉，但完全遮住了腰部，卻使衣服飄逸如風(fēng)。最受歡迎的發(fā)型是發(fā)髻或能讓豐滿圓潤(rùn)的臉閃閃發(fā)光的發(fā)型。當(dāng)時(shí)纏足還沒(méi)有普及，因?yàn)楫?dāng)時(shí)的女性非常自由。
唐朝四大美女之一的楊貴妃，被形容為豐腴圓潤(rùn)。想象一下當(dāng)時(shí)的審美標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，使得厚重的女性被認(rèn)為是中國(guó)古代四大美女之一。

@Giao Vu
The preference was not unique to Tang China. The love for plump women was also reflected in Renaissance and Baroque European painting. Rubens’ paintings can serve as prime examples (thus the adjective “rubenesque.”)

這種偏好并非唐朝獨(dú)有。對(duì)豐滿女性的喜愛(ài)也體現(xiàn)在文藝復(fù)興和巴洛克時(shí)期的歐洲繪畫(huà)中。魯本斯的畫(huà)作可以作為最好的例子（因此有形容詞“魯本斯風(fēng)格”。）

@Angelina Reyes
The photos are beautiful!

照片很漂亮！

@Vdhay Kumar N
Beautiful photos 

漂亮的相片

@Samuel Ademeso
Correct if I'm wrong, but according to Youtuber, there was no evidence that fat women were desired during, the rumours that was spread due to fear of emperors having sexy women distract them which had consequences, thus some scholar wrote urge men to desire women not because of luv or attraction, but it would put them off carnal desires and focus more on their work and confuis stuff.
I could be wrong though

如果我錯(cuò)了，請(qǐng)正確，但根據(jù) Youtuber 的說(shuō)法，沒(méi)有證據(jù)表明胖女人是被渴望的，因?yàn)閾?dān)心皇帝讓性感的女人分散他們的注意力而傳播謠言，從而產(chǎn)生后果，因此一些學(xué)者寫(xiě)道敦促男人渴望女人不是因?yàn)閻?ài)或吸引力，而是因?yàn)檫@會(huì)讓她們遠(yuǎn)離肉欲，更多地關(guān)注她們的工作和生活。
但我可能是錯(cuò)的

@Ines Hvala Dolenc
Come on. Plumpness was considered desirable across many human cultures, societies, and eras. The reason being that excess body fat signalled opulence. It also insured prolonged survival during famines, and would make it easier for the woman to carry children (so long as not in so much excess as to put unhealthy amounts of pressure and weight onto the spine) to term, being less dependent on consistent influx of food from outside to do so. In skinny women, an acute lack of food may trigger a miscarriage from the body, and chronic malnutrition can cause issues in fetal development and congenital defects.
Of course, men always had personal preferences as well, but plump women were socially acceptable and historically desirable in many different time periods and cultures and it had little to do with the physical appeal.
The skinny/fit being sexy is more of a modern concept, because of the abundance and availability of food (and the proliferation of obesity), which makes fit/skinny look great in comparison. It is also seen as being a green flag signifying health, moderation, hard work (working out), and self restraint on the part of the woman.

拜托。在許多人類文化、社會(huì)和時(shí)代中，豐滿被認(rèn)為是可取的。原因是過(guò)多的身體脂肪標(biāo)志著富裕。它還確保了饑荒期間的長(zhǎng)期生存，并使婦女更容易生育孩子（只要不過(guò)度，以免對(duì)脊柱施加不健康的壓力和重量），減少對(duì)持續(xù)流入的依賴外面的食物來(lái)做到這一點(diǎn)。對(duì)于骨瘦如柴的女性來(lái)說(shuō)，嚴(yán)重缺乏食物可能會(huì)引發(fā)流產(chǎn)，而慢性營(yíng)養(yǎng)不良可能會(huì)導(dǎo)致胎兒發(fā)育問(wèn)題和先天缺陷。
當(dāng)然，男性也總是有個(gè)人喜好，但在許多不同的時(shí)期和文化中，豐滿的女性在社會(huì)上是可以接受的，并且在歷史上是令人向往的，這與身體吸引力無(wú)關(guān)。
緊身/健美的性感更多的是一個(gè)現(xiàn)代概念，因?yàn)槭澄锏呢S富性和可用性（以及肥胖的擴(kuò)散），這使得健美/緊身的性感相比之下看起來(lái)很棒。它也被視為一面綠色旗幟，象征著女性的健康、節(jié)制、努力工作（鍛煉）和自我克制。

@Gurudutt Mallapur
Skinny being beautiful may be a more recent Western fashion??

瘦為美可能是最近的西方時(shí)尚？

@Christopher Tegner
That's so wierd to be more desirable for being more unhealthly and having a propensity to lack self control…

這太奇怪了，因?yàn)楦唤】挡⑶矣腥狈ψ晕铱刂频膬A向而更令人向往……

@Ines Hvala Dolenc
You're applying modern morals to bygone times.

你正在將現(xiàn)代道德應(yīng)用于過(guò)去的時(shí)代。

@Gurudutt Mallapur
HMM I didn't know that Chinese women wore Indian style Bindi in between their eyebrows.

嗯，我不知道中國(guó)女性在眉間也有印度風(fēng)格的賓迪。

譯著：印度女性傳統(tǒng)妝容中位于眉心的紅點(diǎn)

@Tim Tran
Those aren't Bindi. Those are just decorative makeup that resemble one. They had no religious meaning. Just there for beauty.

那些不是賓迪。那些只是類似于化妝品的裝飾性化妝品。它們沒(méi)有宗教意義。只為美麗而存在。

@Gurudutt Mallapur
Bindi (sindhur actually) is a social thing to mark married status of a woman, though unmarried maidens wear small bindis. And they are considered quite beautiful.

It is considered to be 1 out of 16 types of beautification (solah-singar) esp for a newly wed.

賓迪是一種社會(huì)事物，用于標(biāo)記女性的已婚狀態(tài)，盡管未婚少女會(huì)佩戴小賓迪。他們被認(rèn)為非常美麗。
它被認(rèn)為是16種美中的一種，尤其適用于新婚夫婦。

@Tim Tran
Yes. But these for Tang women weren't social either. It was just for pretty sake. It also came in hundreds of different forms, a la many flower styles. It can also be put on your cheeks and dimples, or next to your eyes.

是的。但對(duì)于唐代女性來(lái)說(shuō)，這些裝飾也不是宗教性的。這只是為了漂亮。它還有數(shù)百種不同的形式，以及許多花型。它也可以放在您的臉頰和酒窩上，或靠近您的眼睛。

@Gurudutt Mallapur
Small tattoos were/are used in different ways similarly in some parts of India.

在印度的某些地區(qū)，小紋身以不同的方式使用。

@Tim Tran
Ah, this isn't tattooed. It's drawn on. They change styles everyday.

啊，這不是紋身。是畫(huà)上去的，他們每天都在改變風(fēng)格。

@Gurudutt Mallapur
We also have something called Mehendi (paste of a particular herb) which changes colour to brown used to draw small “temporary tattoos” but it's mostly used on the hands and sometimes to dye hair reddish brown.
The patterns last for a fortnight or so.

我們還有一種叫做海娜（特定草藥的糊劑）的東西，它會(huì)將顏色變成棕色，用于繪制小型“臨時(shí)紋身”，但它主要用于手部，有時(shí)用于將頭發(fā)染成紅棕色。
這些效果會(huì)維持兩周左右。

@Tim Tran
As I said, this is not a social nor a religious thing. It wasn't Bindi.

正如我所說(shuō)，這不是社會(huì)問(wèn)題，也不是宗教問(wèn)題。這不是賓迪。

@Gurudutt Mallapur
Yeah, I got it. 
I just felt it such a familiar thing esp the girl with the red dot in the middle of the forehead…
Anyway, quite beautiful if I may say so.

是的，我明白了。
我只是覺(jué)得這很熟悉，尤其是那個(gè)額頭中間有紅點(diǎn)的女孩……
不管怎樣，如果我可以這么說(shuō)的話，相當(dāng)漂亮。

@Qi Chen
Ancient cultures in general favor fatter women.
First of all, the “fat” in ancient time is very different than fat by modern standards. The desirable kind of “fat” in ancient time is about average build at most.
Second, in ancient times, people have a lot less nutrients. The ability to accumulate fat means you are relatively wealthy and if there is a famine, you are much more likely to survive.
Third, remember English such as “child-bearing hips”? Small, skinny and petite women are a lot more like to die during child birth in ancient times. Most guys would prefer their wives live past the childbirth.

古代文化普遍偏愛(ài)較胖的女性。
首先，古代的“胖”與現(xiàn)代標(biāo)準(zhǔn)的“胖”有很大不同。古代理想的“胖”最多也就是平均身材左右。
第二，在古代，人們的營(yíng)養(yǎng)物質(zhì)少很多。積累脂肪的能力意味著你相對(duì)富裕，如果發(fā)生饑荒，你更有可能生存。
第三，還記得“生育臀部”等英語(yǔ)嗎？古代身材瘦小、骨瘦如柴的女性更容易在分娩時(shí)死亡。大多數(shù)男人都希望他們的妻子能活過(guò)產(chǎn)后。