你是否想離開(kāi)印度，那你為什么要離開(kāi)？(二)
Why do you want to leave India, if you do?
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網(wǎng)友：為什么想離開(kāi)印度？在我成年之前，我一直以為我會(huì)在印度生活，直到我生命的最后一刻。但是，隨著我的成長(zhǎng)，我遇到了一些我根本不想面對(duì)的問(wèn)題……
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Why do you want to leave India, if you do?
你是否想離開(kāi)印度，那你為什么要離開(kāi)？
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Why do you want to leave India?
Long before I was an adult, I always thought I would stay in India till my last breath. However, growing up has made me encounter problems which I don't want to face at all.
為什么想離開(kāi)印度？
在我成年之前，我一直以為我會(huì)在印度生活，直到我生命的最后一刻。但是，隨著我的成長(zhǎng)，我遇到了一些我根本不想面對(duì)的問(wèn)題。
I am a student of an NIT. The entrance exam was a lot tougher than what is taught here. The quality of education is abysmal. There are hardly any permanent professors in my department. We are taught by some contract faculty who are least interested in teaching.
Once, in the third semester, a thermodynamics teacher said this:
"Now, since we all know that when pressure is constant, work done by the gas is zero, so the answer here is zero."
For a few minutes , we were too bamboozled to believe that she had said this. To our utter amazement, this followed:
"In adiabatic process, the change in internal energy is always zero."
教育上的困擾
我是印度理工學(xué)院（NIT）的一名學(xué)生。入學(xué)考試的難度遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超過(guò)了我們?cè)谶@里學(xué)到的內(nèi)容。教育質(zhì)量非常糟糕，我們系里幾乎沒(méi)有全職教授。我們是由一些合同教師來(lái)授課的，他們對(duì)教學(xué)幾乎沒(méi)有什么興趣。
有一次，第三學(xué)期的時(shí)候，我們的熱力學(xué)老師這么說(shuō)：
“現(xiàn)在，我們都知道在恒壓條件下，氣體所做的功是零，所以這里的答案應(yīng)該是零?！?br /> 我們一開(kāi)始都愣住了，難以置信她竟然會(huì)這么說(shuō)。更讓我們吃驚的是，她接著又說(shuō)道：
“在絕熱過(guò)程中，內(nèi)能的變化總是零。”
All we care about are MARKS. And SGPA. It disheartens me so much. It's so depressing to be present in a system where you are judged by your grades and grades come by remembering a few facts in the subjects. No logics.
那堂課讓人感到非常失望。大部分核心知識(shí)點(diǎn)都以一種令人遺憾的方式進(jìn)行教學(xué)，使得那些本應(yīng)充滿(mǎn)熱忱的學(xué)生對(duì)學(xué)習(xí)失去了興趣。
我們只關(guān)注分?jǐn)?shù)和學(xué)分績(jī)點(diǎn)。這種情況讓我十分氣餒。身處一個(gè)完全以分?jǐn)?shù)論英雄，而分?jǐn)?shù)又僅僅是通過(guò)記憶一些零碎知識(shí)點(diǎn)就能獲得的體系，實(shí)在令人感到沮喪。這里面根本沒(méi)有邏輯可言。
It's everywhere. Not just in politics or government sectors.
I know a few people around me who completely support the cause of corruption.
The reasons given by them are so selfish and amoral that they might make you weep there and then.
I get to see it in so many forms and at so many places and there's nothing I can do but feel helpless about it absolutely.
In college fests, when you go for a driving license, in order to get your name first in a waiting list at a doctor's, railways, food checking, the infrastructure of the college.Everywhere. It's fucking everywhere.
腐敗問(wèn)題
腐敗現(xiàn)象無(wú)處不在，不僅局限于政治或政府領(lǐng)域。
我認(rèn)識(shí)一些我身邊的人，他們完全支持腐敗行為。
他們提出的理由極其自私且缺乏道德，可能會(huì)讓你當(dāng)場(chǎng)感到絕望。
我見(jiàn)過(guò)太多形式的腐敗，它們發(fā)生在太多地方，我除了感到無(wú)助，別無(wú)他法。
在大學(xué)節(jié)日、申請(qǐng)駕照、為了在醫(yī)生等候名單上排在第一位、鐵路系統(tǒng)、食品檢查、大學(xué)基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施等各個(gè)場(chǎng)合，腐敗無(wú)孔不入，它真的是無(wú)所不在。
Even if you are found with a person of an opposite gender at a secluded area, the chances of you getting caught by the police for "unethical actions" is pretty high.
Forget holding hands or kissing (that's a serious offence) - you can't even walk close.
People charge you at the cost of your privacy.
Sick and disgusting.
拒絕公開(kāi)展示親昵行為
即使你和異性朋友在偏僻的地方被看到，因“違反道德行為”被警察抓到的可能性也很高。
不要說(shuō)牽手或親吻（這被視為嚴(yán)重違規(guī)）——你們甚至不能走得近一些。
人們以犧牲你的隱私為代價(jià)來(lái)指責(zé)你。
這種行為令人作嘔，讓人感到厭惡。
If a woman wants to be safe (doesn't want to be sexually harassed in any manner) she should :
安全問(wèn)題
如果女性想要感到安全（不想在任何形式上遭受性騷擾），她應(yīng)該：
We don't want our menfolk to be aroused.
2. Come back home before sunset.
3.Shouldn't date. And shouldn't have any male friends.
4. Never travel alone
穿著要“得體”和“合適”。最好除了眼睛以外，其他部位都要遮蓋起來(lái)。哦，不對(duì)，眼睛也要遮住。戴上太陽(yáng)鏡吧。
我們不希望男性家庭成員受到誘惑。
在太陽(yáng)落山前回家。
不應(yīng)該約會(huì)，也不應(yīng)該有男性朋友。
永遠(yuǎn)不要單獨(dú)旅行。
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6. Don't let her pursue higher education because that might make her want to work. What's the need ? Stay at home.
If she still gets raped, she has got to be truly characterless. You see, it's never the rapist's fault. Never.
Note: If you didn't get it, that's sarcasm above.
對(duì)于所有不雅的言論保持沉默，不要對(duì)盯著你看的行為大驚小怪。你是女性，要學(xué)會(huì)應(yīng)對(duì)。
不要讓她追求高等教育，因?yàn)槟强赡軙?huì)讓她想要工作。有什么必要呢？待在家里就好。
如果她還是遭遇了性侵，那一定是她自己品行不端。你看，這從來(lái)不是強(qiáng)奸犯的錯(cuò)，永遠(yuǎn)不是。
注：你是否沒(méi)有意識(shí)到，上述內(nèi)容是諷刺。
No matter which party you vote for, there would be some amount of electricity cuts, extremely bad roads at certain places, less water supply, poor administration, disorganization, empty promises.
No matter what amount of taxes we pay, we won't see their true utilization.
政治和政府。
無(wú)論你支持哪個(gè)政黨，都難免會(huì)遇到電力中斷、某些地區(qū)道路狀況極差、供水減少、管理水平低下、組織混亂以及空洞的承諾。無(wú)論我們繳納多少稅款，似乎都無(wú)法看到這些資金被真正用于改善民生。
We have started the Mars mission. But we are still not sorted with the issues on the Earth.
Even in the present modern world, we greatly take into account religion, caste, creed, regionalism. Forget inter-religion marriages, the society doesn't even approve of inter-caste marriages !
Before falling in love, make sure that your lover is of the same religion.
And the same caste, and the same sub-caste and the same sub-sub -caste ! :D
社會(huì)差異的交織。
我們已經(jīng)啟動(dòng)了火星任務(wù)，但我們地球上的問(wèn)題仍未解決。
即使在當(dāng)今這個(gè)現(xiàn)代化的世界，我們?nèi)匀环浅Ｖ匾曌诮?、種姓、信仰和地域性。別說(shuō)跨宗教的婚姻，社會(huì)甚至不認(rèn)可跨種姓的婚姻！
在陷入愛(ài)河之前，請(qǐng)確保你的愛(ài)人與你擁有相同的宗教信仰。
還要確保你們屬于同一個(gè)種姓，同一個(gè)亞種姓，甚至是同一個(gè)亞亞種姓！
With the ever increasing population, increases the competition.
Competition so high that it makes you cry. It's worse because it's not even fair.
A and B are equally rich and have similar social backgrounds. B is a bit more blessed in terms of resources.
A scores 100 marks more than B in IIT JEE.
A doesn't get even the least preferred course in any IIT.
B makes it to biotechnology of IIT-D.
壓力山大的生活。
隨著人口的不斷增長(zhǎng)，競(jìng)爭(zhēng)也日益加劇。
這種競(jìng)爭(zhēng)如此激烈，以至于讓人想哭。更糟糕的是，這種競(jìng)爭(zhēng)往往并不公平。
A和B同樣富有，社會(huì)背景相似。但B在資源方面更有優(yōu)勢(shì)。
在印度理工學(xué)院聯(lián)合入學(xué)考試（IIT JEE）中，A比B多得了100分。
然而，A在印度理工學(xué)院連最不喜歡的專(zhuān)業(yè)都無(wú)法上。
而B(niǎo)卻成功進(jìn)入了印度理工學(xué)院德里分校（IIT-D）的生物技術(shù)專(zhuān)業(yè)。
They are from different castes, silly!
這是為什么?
他們來(lái)自不同的種姓，傻瓜！
The black hole- Reservation Policy!
黑洞 - 預(yù)留政策！
It sucks -_-
這真的很糟糕
It really does!
確實(shí)非常糟糕！
I think the question is meant to come up with rants but my sense is that some of your points are not very relevant.
I agree with the 1st and to some extent with the 2nd (not completely because I have seen it go down significantly - ever tried to get a phone connection in 90s or a scooter in 80s?)
我認(rèn)為這個(gè)問(wèn)題本意是想引發(fā)一些抱怨，但我覺(jué)得你的一些觀點(diǎn)并不十分相關(guān)。
我同意第一點(diǎn)，第二點(diǎn)在一定程度上也認(rèn)同（但不是完全認(rèn)同，因?yàn)槲铱吹角闆r已經(jīng)有了顯著的改善 - 你試過(guò)在90年代接聽(tīng)電話或者在80年代買(mǎi)摩托車(chē)嗎？）
4. Again, depends on the place. Most of Gujarat and Mumbai is pretty safe - seems more so than the worse places in Italy Chicago. However, I admit that India is, in general, more unsafe than USA / Euro region.
第三點(diǎn) - 是的，公開(kāi)示愛(ài)在印度不像意大利那樣被接受（舉這個(gè)例子是因?yàn)槲胰ミ^(guò)那里）。但我確實(shí)看到好幾對(duì)情侶手牽手散步，有些地方你也可以看到人們親吻/親熱。警察通常會(huì)在某些時(shí)間（深夜 - 比如孟買(mǎi)凌晨2:00）把你趕走，但我真沒(méi)聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)有人因此被起訴。
第四點(diǎn)。這又取決于地方。古吉拉特邦和孟買(mǎi)大部分地區(qū)相當(dāng)安全 - 看起來(lái)比意大利芝加哥的糟糕地方更安全。但我承認(rèn)，總體上印度比美國(guó)/歐洲地區(qū)更不安全。
6. Agree in general, but I have seen enough inter religion marriages to again be hopeful. Remember that just over a half century ago, racial discrimination was legal in the USA and Europe was highly polarized on religions lines. A lag of 50 years does not seem VERY bad.
第五點(diǎn)，我不贊同的。在我上學(xué)的時(shí)候，我們了解到了“西方國(guó)家的12車(chē)道公路”，并開(kāi)玩笑說(shuō)即使是印度的高速公路也沒(méi)有一條好車(chē)道。今天，主要的高速公路都是不錯(cuò)的6車(chē)道公路。雖然不是世界級(jí)的，但20年來(lái)的進(jìn)步是顯著的。同樣，古吉拉特邦不再有停電 - 我在艾哈邁達(dá)巴德（2010年夏天）連續(xù)運(yùn)行了30天的服務(wù)器。
第六點(diǎn)，總的來(lái)說(shuō)，我同意，但我看到足夠多的跨宗教婚姻，讓我再次充滿(mǎn)希望。記住，就在半個(gè)多世紀(jì)前，種族歧視在美國(guó)和歐洲是合法的，歐洲在宗教方面高度分化。50年的滯后狀態(tài)看起來(lái)并不是非常糟糕。
To sum up, all your points are valid and a good reason for moving to some other country. However, in the larger scheme of things, India is not destined to remain the way it is. My sense i that progress is pretty rapid and in a generation, these may no longer be strong enough reasons to migrate.
第七點(diǎn)。當(dāng)然，我也討厭它。但生活在哪里都不公平。既然你進(jìn)入了印度國(guó)家技術(shù)學(xué)院，對(duì)你來(lái)說(shuō)情況沒(méi)有那么糟 - 錯(cuò)過(guò)印度理工學(xué)院確實(shí)糟糕。
總結(jié)來(lái)說(shuō)，你所有的點(diǎn)都是說(shuō)得通的，是搬到其他國(guó)家的好理由。然而，在更大的格局中，印度并不是注定要一直保持現(xiàn)狀。我的感覺(jué)是進(jìn)步相當(dāng)快，一代人之后，這些可能不再是移民的充分理由了。
Lets just assume I am an American - I can quote these reasons for leaving my home:
1. Sick people every where - I see people who are pedophiles, have consensual incest with their family members, practice bestiality and then they say I will do it as long as it is not harming anybody
2. My jobs are going to Chinese and Indians
3. I don't see a stuff Made in USA... Everything from electronics to clothes and furniture is Made iN China, Vietnam or Bangladesh. My country is doomed
假設(shè)我是個(gè)美國(guó)人 - 我可以列舉這些理由離開(kāi)我的家鄉(xiāng)：
到處都是病態(tài)的人——我看到有些人是戀童癖者，與家人亂倫，進(jìn)行獸交，然后他們說(shuō)只要不傷害任何人，我就會(huì)這么做
我的工作都給了中國(guó)人和印度人
我看不到美國(guó)制造的東西...從電子產(chǎn)品到衣服和家具都是中國(guó)制造，越南制造或孟加拉制造，我的國(guó)家注定要完蛋
5. There are drugs in middle school and kids of the age of 10 - 11 bringing guns to schools
6. Every other month, there is some sociopath killing innocent children in some high school shooting
7. Some other sociopath kills Sikh people because they are "Arabs"
合法和非法移民每周成千上萬(wàn)地來(lái)到我的國(guó)家，搶走我們的工作，他們甚至不會(huì)說(shuō)英語(yǔ)。
中學(xué)有毒品，10-11歲的孩子帶槍上學(xué)
每隔一個(gè)月，就有一些反社會(huì)者在高中槍殺無(wú)辜兒童
其他一些反社會(huì)者殺害錫克教徒，因?yàn)樗麄兪恰鞍⒗恕薄?/b>
The problem with Indians is that we don't take pride in what we have. We don't want to change - We want to take the shortcut and immigrate to White nations.
People who immigrate and settle in US from India- Are you ready to have all your progenitors in US? Has India become that bad? If British did one thing to us - it was that they made us believe that anything White/Western is good and anything Indian is uncouth.
I am an Int'l Student studying in USA - I will never ever want to abandon my Home - Never Ever! India needs its best and brightest to stay!
我會(huì)離開(kāi)我的國(guó)家嗎？不。絕對(duì)不。
印度人的問(wèn)題是我們不為我們所擁有的感到驕傲，我們不想改變 - 我們想要走捷徑，移民到白人國(guó)家。
從印度移民到美國(guó)的人 - 你準(zhǔn)備好讓你的所有后代都在美國(guó)嗎？印度變得那么糟糕了嗎？如果英國(guó)人對(duì)我們做了一件事的話，那就是他們讓我們相信何白人/西方的東西都是好的，任何印度的東西都是粗俗的。
我是在美國(guó)學(xué)習(xí)的國(guó)際學(xué)生 - 我永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)想要放棄我的家 - 永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)！印度需要它最優(yōu)秀和最聰明的人留下來(lái)！
Nice attempt at sensationalizing.
1) If something is not harming anyone, then why would that thing be wrong? Pedophiles are harming minors, bestiality is wrong because there's no way to ascertain whether an animal has given consent. Consensual incest? Sure, it's against societal norms, but if it is consensual and there's no adultery involved, then it is not really harming anyone, is it?
2) The shitty jobs in the US are being outsourced, yes. It inconveniences a lot of people, but those people are not the most financially mobile. There is no dearth of entrepreneurship opportunities in the US and their system backs those willing to do anything constructive.
3) I don't see any of the vegetables I eat in Bangalore grown in Bangalore. Should I feel doomed and migrate to a village where beans, bitter gourd and tomatoes are grown?
試圖聳人聽(tīng)聞的不錯(cuò)嘗試。
如果某件事沒(méi)有傷害任何人，那么這件事為什么是錯(cuò)誤的？戀童癖者傷害未成年人，獸交是錯(cuò)誤的，因?yàn)闆](méi)有辦法確定動(dòng)物是否給予了同意，與家人亂倫？當(dāng)然，這違反了社會(huì)規(guī)范，但如果是合意的，沒(méi)有涉及通奸，那么它真的沒(méi)有傷害任何人，不是嗎？
美國(guó)的糟糕工作正在外包，是的。這給很多人帶來(lái)了不便，但這些人的財(cái)務(wù)流動(dòng)性并不高。在美國(guó)有很多創(chuàng)業(yè)機(jī)會(huì)，他們的系統(tǒng)支持那些愿意做任何建設(shè)性事情的人。
我在班加羅爾吃的任何蔬菜都不是在班加羅爾種植的。我應(yīng)該覺(jué)得自己命中注定要遷移到一個(gè)種植豆子、苦瓜和西紅柿的村莊嗎？
5) I finished school in 2008. There were lots of gang fights and children pulling weapons was not unheard of. True, guns were a rare sight, but don't tell me that schools aren't a cesspool of violence in India.
6) Welcome to India. Your kid can get raped even if she's 3 years old.
再次，低端工作被取代。高端工作更穩(wěn)定。你真的要和印度相比嗎？印度一個(gè)職位空缺有一千名候選人。
我2008年完成了學(xué)業(yè)。有很多幫派斗毆，孩子們攜帶武器并不罕見(jiàn)。確實(shí)，槍支是罕見(jiàn)的景象，但不要告訴我印度的學(xué)校不是暴力的溫床。
歡迎來(lái)到印度，你的女兒即使只有3歲也可能被強(qiáng)奸。
I love many aspects of India. I detest many aspects of India. Please don't pitch the worst of a country against the best of another country and learn to take a neutral viewpoint to actually compare two countries. It's good to know that you wish to return to India but that doesn't give you the moral high ground to shame people looking to move out and make progress professionally.
當(dāng)然，在印度沒(méi)有聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)社區(qū)暴力。從來(lái)沒(méi)有穆斯林殺害印度教徒，反之亦然。
我熱愛(ài)印度的許多方面，我也厭惡印度的許多方面。請(qǐng)不要將一個(gè)國(guó)家最糟糕的一面與另一個(gè)國(guó)家最好的一面進(jìn)行對(duì)比，并要學(xué)會(huì)采取中立的觀點(diǎn)來(lái)真正比較兩個(gè)國(guó)家。很高興知道你希望回到印度，但這并不給你站在道德高地上去羞辱那些尋求出國(guó)并專(zhuān)業(yè)上取得進(jìn)步的人的權(quán)利。
I agree with your viewpoints India is not what is used to be
我同意你的觀點(diǎn)，印度已經(jīng)不是過(guò)去的樣子了。
Being patriotic is a choice and it should be treated like one. Every one has one life to live and it is their right to lead it the way they wish to. You lead yours as you wish to but stop at that. The biggest problem with us Indians is that we never realize that it isn't our business to interfere with others lives.
愛(ài)國(guó)是一種選擇，應(yīng)該被當(dāng)作一種選擇來(lái)對(duì)待。每個(gè)人都有權(quán)利按照自己的意愿去度過(guò)這唯一的一生。你可以按照自己的方式生活，但僅此而已。我們印度人最大的問(wèn)題在于，我們從來(lái)不明白，干涉他人的生活并不是我們的責(zé)任。
You are SO right that very few people will get it. We are not a pragmatic country. A ‘Country’ is not a natural entity. It is a political entity. Some of us love this planet more than we love this country. We have no emotional obligation to be bound to these political boundaries that we don’t believe in. We have a choice.
你完全正確，很少有人會(huì)理解這一點(diǎn)。我們不是一個(gè)務(wù)實(shí)的國(guó)家?！皣?guó)家”并非自然形成，而是一個(gè)政治構(gòu)造。我們中有些人對(duì)這顆星球的愛(ài)超過(guò)了對(duì)這個(gè)國(guó)家的愛(ài)。我們沒(méi)有情感上的義務(wù)去堅(jiān)守我們不相信的政治邊界，我們有選擇的權(quán)利。
Sir, there are other countries too other than India and USA. :-)
先生，世界上不僅僅有印度和美國(guó)哦。
Pedophiles do not exist in India? Incest is a facet of Caucasian humans alone? Looks like the 'India' you belong to only exists in your imagination. Because law is more fair in the west, such things immediately gain popularity. In India many girls who are sodomized by their father hide this throughout their lives becausr of the stigma and repercussions.
戀童癖者在印度就不存在嗎？亂倫只是白種人的特點(diǎn)嗎？看來(lái)你所認(rèn)為的“印度”只存在于你的想象之中。因?yàn)槲鞣降姆筛庸?，這類(lèi)事情才會(huì)迅速引起關(guān)注。在印度，許多被父親性侵的女孩會(huì)因?yàn)楹ε聬u辱和后果而將這些秘密隱藏一生。