日產(chǎn)前高管表示：在西方與中國(guó)的電動(dòng)車競(jìng)爭(zhēng)中，混合動(dòng)力車是一條通向地獄之路
Hybrids Are A Road To Hell in the west's battle VS China says Nissan Exec
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日產(chǎn)前高管安迪·帕爾默表示，“混合動(dòng)力車是一條通向地獄之路。它們只是過渡策略，而你在這種過渡階段停留得越久，邁向新世界的步伐就越慢，”他還表示，“如果你只是通過發(fā)展混合動(dòng)力車來延遲向電動(dòng)汽車轉(zhuǎn)型，那么你會(huì)在更長(zhǎng)時(shí)間內(nèi)處于競(jìng)爭(zhēng)劣勢(shì)，并讓中國(guó)繼續(xù)拓展市場(chǎng)并鞏固其領(lǐng)先地位。我真心認(rèn)為這是徒勞無益的?！?
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日產(chǎn)前高管安迪·帕爾默表示，“混合動(dòng)力車是一條通向地獄之路。它們只是過渡策略，而你在這種過渡階段停留得越久，邁向新世界的步伐就越慢，”
他還表示，“如果你只是通過發(fā)展混合動(dòng)力車來延遲向電動(dòng)汽車轉(zhuǎn)型，那么你會(huì)在更長(zhǎng)時(shí)間內(nèi)處于競(jìng)爭(zhēng)劣勢(shì)，并讓中國(guó)繼續(xù)拓展市場(chǎng)并鞏固其領(lǐng)先地位。我真心認(rèn)為這是徒勞無益的?！?br /> 帕爾默對(duì)中國(guó)電動(dòng)汽車的崛起給予了高度評(píng)價(jià)：“中國(guó)汽車非常棒，物超所值。他們的電池技術(shù)是一流的，并且高度重視軟件開發(fā)。中國(guó)電動(dòng)汽車行業(yè)的成功歸功于中國(guó)長(zhǎng)期的產(chǎn)業(yè)戰(zhàn)略。
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Not only do Chinese manufacturers profit from economies of scale, but also from the complete value chain, located domestically
中國(guó)制造商不僅有規(guī)模經(jīng)濟(jì)優(yōu)勢(shì)，還擁有完整的國(guó)內(nèi)產(chǎn)業(yè)鏈。
Toyota Hybrids - Big Engines / Small Batteries !
BYD Hybrids - Small Engines / Big Batteries !
豐田混動(dòng) - 大發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)/小電池！
BYD混動(dòng) - 小發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)/大電池！
I think Toyota hybrids (and maybe all Japanese hybrids) are small in both
我覺得豐田混動(dòng)（可能所有日系混動(dòng)都是）發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)和電池都很小。
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I'll take the Toyota, always.
我選豐田，永遠(yuǎn)選豐田。
That is why Toyota will get there hybride from BYD as they are superior.
這就是為什么豐田要從比亞迪那里獲得混動(dòng)系統(tǒng)，因?yàn)楸葋喌系木褪歉谩?/b>
Toyota has been doing hybrids for over 2 decades they know what they are doing
豐田搞混動(dòng)都20多年了，他們懂得很。
Yes, Toyota found their own Hybrids not good enough, and they decided to stop making their own Hybrids.
New Hybrids from Toyota are made by BYD, with Toyota logo. They know what they are doing !
是啊，豐田自己都覺得自家混動(dòng)不夠好，決定不自己造了。豐田新款混動(dòng)都是比亞迪造的，就貼個(gè)豐田標(biāo)。他們知道自己在干啥！
They are not sold in the U.S. at this point and with future tariffs, I doubt they will be. That said, What makes them superior? Toyota has a strong following in the U.S. in regards to HYBRIDS, reputation is very solid. I don't feel Toyota will risk their reputation for what amounts to a com...st product that was possibly copied from another country's manufacturing. Spend some time in China and learn the truth.
現(xiàn)在美國(guó)還沒賣，再加上以后要加關(guān)稅，我看懸。再說了，哪兒就比豐田強(qiáng)了？
豐田在美國(guó)的混動(dòng)口碑可是相當(dāng)好的。我可不覺得豐田會(huì)為了一個(gè)***的產(chǎn)品搭上自己的名聲，何況這玩意兒還可能是抄別人的。你去中國(guó)待一陣子就知道真相了。(***政黨或名字 下同)
BYD's batteries are considered to be small by Chinese standards, but huge by Western standards. Their entry-level models have "only" 70km of battery range.
要按中國(guó)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)看，比亞迪的電池算小的，但在西方標(biāo)準(zhǔn)下就算大的了。它們?nèi)腴T款的純電續(xù)航也有70公里呢。
Well, since Toyota is already going to use the BYD hybrid drivetrain for their next models, looks like Toyota didnt think their reputation would suffer. But hey, buy that quality Toyota and avoid that copycat Chinese product. Or even better, buy that quality US product and avoid that crappy Japanese product, they probably copied from the US anyway. Today it is very hard to figure out quality from the badge alone. Companies that were once reliable are going for the maximum profit (looking at you BMW and Mercedes with your plastic parts in the engine) and looks like the reliable replacements are going for cost cutting as well (looking at you Toyota, Honda, Nissan).
既然豐田都要用比亞迪的混動(dòng)系統(tǒng)了，看來他們也不覺得會(huì)影響名聲嘛。繼續(xù)買你的“優(yōu)質(zhì)”豐田吧，躲著點(diǎn)那“山寨”中國(guó)貨。
或者更徹底一點(diǎn)，買美國(guó)貨，別買日本貨，反正日本貨八成也是抄美國(guó)的。
如今光看品牌很難判斷質(zhì)量了。以前可靠的品牌現(xiàn)在都在追求最大利潤(rùn)（說的就是你們——寶馬奔馳，發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)里都用塑料件），那些可靠的替代品牌也開始偷工減料了（說的就是你們——豐田、本田、日產(chǎn)）。
He's talking about upcoming models which will be based on licensed BYD hybrid tech. Toyota hybrid tech today is essentially the same as what it was 30 years ago with some upgrades, while the battery technology has leapfrogged by miles. The batteries used in Toyota hybrid tech are not even in the same universe compared to what the Chinese battery tech is today, plus Toyota has no industrial capacity, technical skills and supply chains to produce these new batteries at scale.
他說的是即將推出的新車型，那些都是用比亞迪授權(quán)的混動(dòng)技術(shù)。
豐田現(xiàn)在的混動(dòng)技術(shù)本質(zhì)上還是30年前那套，就是稍微升級(jí)了一下，而電池技術(shù)早就突飛猛進(jìn)了。
豐田混動(dòng)用的電池跟現(xiàn)在中國(guó)的電池技術(shù)簡(jiǎn)直不在一個(gè)層面上。
而且豐田既沒有產(chǎn)能，也沒有技術(shù)能力和供應(yīng)鏈來規(guī)?；a(chǎn)這些新電池。
Yup. Toyota knows that BYD Dual Mode EV-based system is better than their ICE-primary Hybrid Synergy Drive.
沒錯(cuò)，豐田也知道比亞迪的雙模系統(tǒng)比他們那個(gè)以內(nèi)燃機(jī)為主的混合動(dòng)力系統(tǒng)強(qiáng)。
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BYD DM system has much higher thermal efficiency than HSD, optimized for electrical generation at a much narrower rpm and power/torque point, rather than a wide range of torque/power. BYD also has much better battery management and EV drive software
比亞迪的DM系統(tǒng)熱效率比豐田的HSD高多了，專門為發(fā)電優(yōu)化了更窄的轉(zhuǎn)速和功率/扭矩范圍，而不是寬泛的扭矩/功率范圍。比亞迪的電池管理和電驅(qū)軟件也強(qiáng)很多。
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I agree, i just returned from china 2 of the leading makers i toured, are really making serious progress.
Quality,speed to.market we here in n.a. are saddled with to much legacy and cultural redundancy we are going to get hurt if we dont understand the car is a commodity now. Anyone can build them
We have our blinders on ,major shift coming
同意，我剛從中國(guó)回來，參觀了兩家頂尖廠商，他們真的進(jìn)步神速。質(zhì)量和上市速度都很給力。
我們北美被太多傳統(tǒng)包袱和舊文化拖累，如果不認(rèn)清汽車已經(jīng)成為普通商品、誰都能造的現(xiàn)實(shí)，我們會(huì)吃大虧的。我們現(xiàn)在視而不見，大變革就要來了。
nothing is a fits all , we run 2 evs at the house my daughter drives 30 mi ea way to college daily loves it
Wife about 60 mi day running g around and both charge at home and like it alot
We have f250 dsl and other cars but really they sit 90% time
沒有什么是萬能的，我家有兩輛電動(dòng)車，女兒每天上下學(xué)開30英里，老婆每天到處跑要開60英里，都在家充電，都挺喜歡的。我們還有F250柴油車和其他車，但90%時(shí)間都不開。
BYD PHEVs are EVs with electric motors and a small ICE range extender that works as a generator. That is totally different to western and japanese PHEVs....
比亞迪的插混本質(zhì)是電動(dòng)車，配備電機(jī)和小型增程式內(nèi)燃機(jī)發(fā)電機(jī)。這跟歐美日的插混完全是兩碼事……
There are some Japanese PHEVs have a small ICE and a larger battery (but still smaller than BYD's), such as Honda's CR-V PHEV and Accord PHEV. However, these Japanese PHEVs are not from scratch, but are modifications of the ICEV. In the Accord PHEV, for example, the battery has been placed in the boot behind the rear seat, creating "a step (of a staircase)" in the boot.
有些日系插混也是小發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)大電池（但還是比不上比亞迪的大），比如本田CR-V插混和雅閣插混。
不過這些日系插混不是從零開始設(shè)計(jì)的，是在燃油車基礎(chǔ)上改的。比如雅閣，電池放在后座后面的后備箱里，導(dǎo)致后備箱里有個(gè)臺(tái)階。
BMW i3 REX is like that
寶馬i3增程版就是這樣的。
EREVs : Extended Range Electric Vehicle, will be very good for a pickup truck and towing or maybe a Ford Bronco for off-road
增程式電動(dòng)車很適合皮卡和拖掛，或者福特野馬這種越野車。
China is losing jobs, let me explain, China has a lot of people building gas cars , they will be out of a job, these newer ev cars take much fewer employees .
中國(guó)在流失就業(yè)崗位，我來解釋下：中國(guó)有很多人在造燃油車，他們要失業(yè)了，這些新電動(dòng)車用不了那么多員工。
Are you sure? Volkswagen only hired 80000 employees in China, but now BYD alone has one million employees
BMW i3 is only sold for $20000 in China
你確定嗎？大眾在中國(guó)才雇了8萬人，但現(xiàn)在光比亞迪就有100萬員工了。
寶馬i3在中國(guó)才賣2萬美元。
I would not buy i3 in China. I'd buy xiaomi SU7 :D
我才不會(huì)買中國(guó)的i3呢，我要買小米SU7。
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China is gaining jobs because they sell more NEVs than the rest of the world combined, and NEV market is growing rapidly.
中國(guó)的就業(yè)崗位在增加，因?yàn)樗麄冑u的新能源車比全世界其他地方加起來還多，而且新能源車市場(chǎng)還在快速增長(zhǎng)。
In fact, it is a series-parallel PHEV. EREV is series PHEV. Many European PHEVs are parallel PHEVs.
Series-parallel means it can switch between two modes. At low speeds it works in the same way as an EREV.
實(shí)際上，這是一種串-并聯(lián)插電混動(dòng)。
增程式電動(dòng)車是串聯(lián)插電混動(dòng)。很多歐洲的混動(dòng)是并聯(lián)插電混動(dòng)。
串-并聯(lián)意味著它可以在兩種模式之間切換。在低速時(shí)，它的工作方式和增程式電動(dòng)車一樣。
When a country has a good charging infrastructure. Range anxiety will not be an issue…
只要一個(gè)國(guó)家有完善的充電設(shè)施，續(xù)航焦慮根本就不是問題……
?We are on the road to nowhere!" - Automotive Industrie in Germany
德國(guó)汽車工業(yè)正在通往死胡同！
Hybrids just add complexity and associated cost with very little gain.
混動(dòng)車只是徒增復(fù)雜性和相關(guān)成本，卻幾乎沒什么好處。
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The fact that companies like Nissan and Toyota still have shareholders is a miracle itself.
日產(chǎn)和豐田這樣的公司居然還有股東，簡(jiǎn)直是個(gè)奇跡。
yet it has the most sales in australia.
不過它在澳大利亞的銷量倒是最高的。
When that vision comes from the directors of a company that took an extremely profitable company like Nissan on the brink of bankruptcy because "they know best" I laugh my ass*** off.
看到這幫自以為是的公司高管，把一個(gè)超級(jí)賺錢的日產(chǎn)搞得快破產(chǎn)了，我都笑掉大牙了。
One of the key differences between full ev and hybrid is the need with hybrids to still pay for regular maintenance of the combustion engine. As well of course the emissions. For those reasons I also can’t see why buyers would refer a hybrid.
純電動(dòng)車和混動(dòng)車的一個(gè)關(guān)鍵區(qū)別是，混動(dòng)車還得定期花錢維護(hù)內(nèi)燃機(jī)。當(dāng)然還有排放問題。就這兩點(diǎn)，我也想不通買家為啥會(huì)選混動(dòng)。
Loosing the EV competition know is akin to loose air supremacy in a war. Once it is lost, it can't be recovered unless the other party becomes extremely complacent and incompetent, as it takes a long time to build new planes or build up better EV tech.
現(xiàn)在輸?shù)綦妱?dòng)車競(jìng)爭(zhēng)，就像戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)中丟失制空權(quán)一樣。一旦失去，除非對(duì)手極度懈怠和無能，否則就很難再奪回來了，因?yàn)檠邪l(fā)更好的電動(dòng)車技術(shù)需要很長(zhǎng)時(shí)間。
Nissan's problems are due to wasting a lot of money on the Leaf BEV that didn't sell well, and a lot of money on belt CVTs that are very crappy. If Nissan has focused on Hybrids without making those two crappy things like BEV and CVT, then Nissan would still be doing very well today.
日產(chǎn)的問題在于在銷量慘淡的聆風(fēng)電動(dòng)車上燒了太多錢，還在那些超爛的皮帶式無級(jí)變速器上投入巨資。要是日產(chǎn)專注于混動(dòng)技術(shù)，不搞這兩個(gè)糟心玩意兒，現(xiàn)在肯定還混得風(fēng)生水起。
My sister wanted to buy an EV but there were no chargers near her apartment (we tried looking w/ in a 5 block radius in NYC). She spoke w/ her condo association & they have NO PLANS to install chargers in her parking garage either. She finally decided on a Hybrid.
我姐想買電動(dòng)車，但她公寓附近根本沒充電樁（我們?cè)诩~約找了方圓5個(gè)街區(qū)都沒有）。她跟物業(yè)協(xié)會(huì)商量，人家明確表示不打算在停車場(chǎng)裝充電樁。她最后只好選了混動(dòng)車。
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That's reasonable. I can't blame your sister. I'd go a similar route if I was unable to have home charging. I've commented that condos and apartments unwilling or unable to add chargers will be the limiting factor.
這也情有可原。換我沒法在家充電，也會(huì)做類似的選擇。我一直說，公寓和住宅樓不愿意或沒法安裝充電樁，這才是限制因素。
If someone is using the logic/philosophy you present at about 4:50 in this video then they would never buy a new car (regardless of powertrain) because there's always something new coming along in the near future. You are espousing a comment made by a Nissan executive, but look where Nissan is as a company these days. China captures market through heavily subsidizing target industries, but what would happen if those subsidies disappeared and Chinese companies had to compete on the world market?
如果按照視頻4分50秒左右你說的那種邏輯和理念，那就永遠(yuǎn)別買新車了（不管什么動(dòng)力系統(tǒng)），因?yàn)榭傆懈碌臇|西即將出現(xiàn)。
你在這引述日產(chǎn)高管的話，可你看看日產(chǎn)現(xiàn)在混成什么樣了。
中國(guó)是通過大規(guī)模補(bǔ)貼新產(chǎn)業(yè)來?yè)屨际袌?chǎng)，但如果這些補(bǔ)貼沒了，中國(guó)企業(yè)在世界市場(chǎng)上還能競(jìng)爭(zhēng)得過誰？
nissan totally lost the ev gamble and overlooked the hybrid techs. Now they will be absorbed into honda.
日產(chǎn)在電動(dòng)車上完全押錯(cuò)了寶，還忽視了混動(dòng)技術(shù)?，F(xiàn)在只能被本田吞并了。
Many reasons not to go for ev, in couple of years they woll be better and cheaper and infrastructure will be more developed. No reason to rush
有太多理由不買電動(dòng)車，再等幾年它們會(huì)變得更好更便宜，基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施也會(huì)更完善。不著急入手。
for people live in apartment ,large city ,hybrids will be always a great option.
對(duì)住在公寓、大城市的人來說，混動(dòng)車永遠(yuǎn)都是個(gè)不錯(cuò)的選擇。
I bought a Chevy Volt plug in hybrid 5 years ago. I chose it specifically because I wanted the cost savings of the electric, which calculates to 100 mpg comparing prices of electric to gas, and because I live in a very rural area, where there was no external charging station within an hour of my home. In that time, I have been very happy with it. It has been the best car I've ever owned, and the savings is quite good.
我5年前買了輛雪佛蘭Volt插電混動(dòng)車。選它就是因?yàn)橄胧‰娰M(fèi)。
把電費(fèi)和油費(fèi)比較算下來相當(dāng)于百英里耗油量只有1加侖，而且我住在特別偏遠(yuǎn)的農(nóng)村，方圓一小時(shí)車程內(nèi)都沒有公共充電樁。
這些年用下來，我特別滿意。這是我開過最好的車，省錢效果也相當(dāng)不錯(cuò)。
In Brazil the infrastructure is terrible, and people jus stop for hours in posts and go do anything they need. In Brazil it will not work.
巴西的基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施太爛了，人們?cè)诩佑驼疽煌＞褪菐讉€(gè)小時(shí)，然后該干啥干啥去了。在巴西這根本行不通。
I would love to purchase a good Chinese EV without the ridiculous taxes that are levied in the UK!
我真想買輛好的中國(guó)電動(dòng)車，要是英國(guó)別收那么離譜的稅就好了！
Sure, but the Chinese are also leading in BEVs. So they are grabbing share from both markets.
確實(shí)，但中國(guó)在純電動(dòng)車領(lǐng)域也是領(lǐng)先的。所以他們?cè)趦蓚€(gè)市場(chǎng)都在搶份額。
Basically Toyota haven’t brought any innovation to automobiles in last 20 years. Sitting idle mostly and making incremental improvements to ICE. And they have no one else to blame. The idea that they want to give all the options to customers just shows that they are unable to compete in EV.
說白了，豐田這20年里在汽車領(lǐng)域就沒啥創(chuàng)新?；旧暇褪情e著，偶爾給內(nèi)燃機(jī)做點(diǎn)小改進(jìn)。
現(xiàn)在他們怪不了別人。
說什么要給消費(fèi)者所有選擇，其實(shí)就是掩飾他們?cè)陔妱?dòng)車領(lǐng)域競(jìng)爭(zhēng)不過別人。
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I notice that GM, Ford, VW have all cut production and closed factories. How can they survive by selling less cars for more money? Who can afford $150k for a 2028 F-150 base model?
我注意到通用、福特、大眾都在減產(chǎn)關(guān)廠。怎么可能靠?jī)r(jià)格更貴，銷量更少生存？
2028 F-150基礎(chǔ)款要賣15萬美元，誰買得起?。?/b>
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Chinese EVs are at 700 kms range, at that range no more need for hybdrids whose sole selling point is more range than old evs.
中國(guó)電動(dòng)車?yán)m(xù)航都到700公里了。混動(dòng)車唯一的賣點(diǎn)就是比老款電動(dòng)車?yán)m(xù)航更遠(yuǎn)。在這個(gè)續(xù)航里程下，這下沒優(yōu)勢(shì)了。
If the 700 kms is true....well that would be great. But what there reality of the range....especially in cold weather, or the AC working or car or hilly roads with four people and luggage. But let's hope 700 kms is true, then maybe in a few years it will be 1000kms and more.
要是真能跑700公里那確實(shí)很棒。但實(shí)際續(xù)航到底如何呢……
特別是在寒冷天氣、開著空調(diào)、帶著四個(gè)人和行李走山路的情況下。
不過希望700公里是真的，那過幾年說不定就能到1000公里甚至更多了。
I don't care what has to say a director with ZERO VISION that was on the steering wheel while their company was driven into bankruptcy
我才不在乎一個(gè)毫無遠(yuǎn)見的主管說什么，這家伙在任的時(shí)候眼睜睜看著公司破產(chǎn)。
In the USA full EV adoption will continue to be slow due to a lack of charging infrastructure and rapid technological improvements on EV batteries to alleviate range anxiety. The incoming administration will do little to change that. That’s why the demand is high for HEV’s and PHEV’s. They also fit our driving lifestyle better.
在美國(guó)，由于缺乏充電設(shè)施，再加上電池技術(shù)還在快速發(fā)展中，人們對(duì)續(xù)航里程的焦慮遲遲無法緩解。
新一屆政府也難以改變這種狀況。這就是為什么混動(dòng)和插混車型需求這么火爆。這類車更適合我們的駕駛習(xí)慣。
I don't think relay on any Chinese auto is a very clever. 400 auto makers with 2 making profits is a good recepy for bobbels, and after the real estate bobble blow, how good will they handle the banks. Economies are living complex systems with a lot of interdependence. Highly risky.
我覺得依賴中國(guó)汽車可不是個(gè)明智之舉。四百家車企只有兩家盈利，這不就是典型的泡沫嗎？
再說了，房地產(chǎn)泡沫都破了，他們?cè)趺磻?yīng)付銀行危機(jī)？經(jīng)濟(jì)是個(gè)復(fù)雜的生態(tài)系統(tǒng)，環(huán)環(huán)相扣。風(fēng)險(xiǎn)太大了。
Do not drive your plugin hybrid like EV! Don't ask me how I know. The small hybrid drive battery gets unusable before 100.000 miles. It reaches 3.000 estimated cycles far too soon.
千萬別把插混當(dāng)純電用！別問我怎么知道的。那個(gè)小電池不到十萬英里就廢了。充放電循環(huán)三千次的壽命太快了。
Surely hybrid’s are, or soon will be, more expensive to manufacture than BEVs. Therefore they can’t be price competitive. And so you can’t imagine them being popular in the future.
混動(dòng)車的制造成本肯定比純電動(dòng)高，或者很快就會(huì)更高。
這樣一來就沒法在價(jià)格上競(jìng)爭(zhēng)。所以你根本不用想它們?cè)谖磥頃?huì)受歡迎。
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Plug in hybrids also have the most maintenance issues.
插混車的維修問題也是最多的。
Can you provide some evidence of that? Because I don't know of any maintenance issues with Toyota PHEV's around here. Totally reliable, as most Toyotas are.
你能拿出證據(jù)來嗎？因?yàn)槲疫@邊的豐田插電混動(dòng)車可沒聽說有什么維修問題。跟大多數(shù)豐田一樣靠譜。
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it’s actually less. You’re just changing the oil and spark plus that’s about it
實(shí)際上維修更少。就換換機(jī)油和火花塞就完事了。
No. Plug in hybrids have by far the most issues out of all car types. So it's actually not less if you have any idea about the statistics involved. Now internal battery hybrids I don't know where those fall on the spectrum. But plug in hybrids have the most faults far beyond what normal gas cars have.
不對(duì)。插混在所有類型的車?yán)锕收下适亲罡叩?。你要是了解統(tǒng)計(jì)數(shù)據(jù)就知道，維修根本不會(huì)更少。
至于普通混動(dòng)車的故障率在哪個(gè)水平我倒不清楚。但插混的故障率比普通汽油車高得多。
From Canada.we need charging infrastructure and a cost effective product ,we drive long distances and our cold weather is not conducive to getting a reasonable battery range.My new 2024 Lexus ES300h hybrid provides a luxury ride with 5L/100km usage and price was reasonable.It uses half to a third the amount of gas my previous vehicles used.ex Lexus LS or Toyota Sequoia.
來自加拿大的反饋。我們這需要充電設(shè)施，而且產(chǎn)品要實(shí)惠。我們開車要跑很遠(yuǎn)，寒冷天氣下電池續(xù)航也不樂觀。
我新買的2024款雷克薩斯ES300h混動(dòng)車，開起來舒適豪華，百公里油耗才5升，價(jià)格也合理。比我之前的雷克薩斯LS或者豐田紅杉省油一半到三分之二。
Agree that hybrids had their time in the sun, but now it’s time to go straight to EVs. The legacy makers can only rely on public ignorance for so long.
同意混動(dòng)車的黃金時(shí)代已經(jīng)過去了，現(xiàn)在該直接轉(zhuǎn)向純電動(dòng)了。傳統(tǒng)車企也就只能靠著消費(fèi)者的無知撐一會(huì)兒了。
If you look at the parts count in the current Honda Civic hybrid in the UK and European market, it's massive. The car is no longer a cheap, reliable hatchback but an expensive, fiendishly complicated one moving between 4 different power modes. An all electric car will be much cheaper and simpler to make with falling battery costs.
看看英國(guó)和歐洲市場(chǎng)現(xiàn)在的本田思域混動(dòng)版增加了多少零件就知道了，數(shù)量驚人。
這已經(jīng)不是那種便宜又可靠的掀背車了，而是變成了在四種動(dòng)力模式之間切換的復(fù)雜玩意兒，還貴得要死。
隨著電池成本下降，純電動(dòng)車肯定會(huì)變得更便宜也更簡(jiǎn)單。
the problem is how fast and where can I charge my car, when will it be solved?
問題是我的車在哪充電？充電要多久？這什么時(shí)候才能解決？
What do Nissan execs know? Their company is failing
日產(chǎn)那些高管懂個(gè)屁？他們公司都快完蛋了。
Having two power trains, ICE and electric is ultimately never going to be price competitive.
Hybrid competitiveness relies on 2020 as being peak for EV technology.
同時(shí)裝兩套動(dòng)力系統(tǒng)，油電加電動(dòng)，這價(jià)格永遠(yuǎn)都競(jìng)爭(zhēng)不過別人。混動(dòng)車的競(jìng)爭(zhēng)力完全建立在電動(dòng)車技術(shù)在2020年就停滯不前的假設(shè)上。
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we are still in the age of the hybrid, while we wait for evs. it is not a myth that we get a dozen battery gamechangers each year, and ev manufacturers are going bust. still in the time of the hybrid for a few more years, and I love mine. get your tech sorted first.
在等待電動(dòng)車普及的過程中，我們還處在混動(dòng)時(shí)代。
每年都說有十幾個(gè)所謂的電池技術(shù)突破，但電動(dòng)車企業(yè)接連倒閉，這可不是瞎說的。
未來幾年還得靠混動(dòng)撐著，我就挺喜歡我的混動(dòng)車。先把技術(shù)搞定再說吧。
I agree with Nissan about hybrids. However part of the problem is that Nissan doesn't have one on the shelf that it could sell to the muppet masses.... or they would do it.
我同意日產(chǎn)對(duì)混動(dòng)車的看法。不過問題在于日產(chǎn)自己沒有現(xiàn)成的混動(dòng)車可以賣給那幫傻瓜消費(fèi)者……要不然他們?cè)缇瓦@么干了。
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Do we really want to take the advice from the people who mismanaged Nissan causing it to fail?
我們真的要聽那幫把日產(chǎn)搞垮的人的建議嗎？
Crazy having 2 systems in a car msintsince crazy expensive to service electrical/battery system and then service girl side system costs crazy to build as well compared to a singular system
在一輛車上裝兩套系統(tǒng)簡(jiǎn)直瘋了。維修電氣系統(tǒng)和電池貴得要死，再加上要保養(yǎng)傳統(tǒng)系統(tǒng)。造起來比單一系統(tǒng)貴多了。
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I bought my hybrid 7 years ago. I love it. Uses half the gas of a conventional gas engine. Still works like a charm. Not sure if my next car with be an EV or hybrid.
我的混動(dòng)車買了7年了。我很喜歡。比傳統(tǒng)汽油車省一半油。到現(xiàn)在還跑得好好的。不過下一輛車買電動(dòng)還是混動(dòng)，我還沒想好。
I just bought a hybrid, a used 2021 with low miles, for cheap. I need it to last 5 years until electrics have gained more share, and more charging infrastructure is installed here in the USA, and my other half is convinced they are practical.
我剛買了一輛二手混動(dòng)車，2021年的，公里數(shù)很少，價(jià)格便宜。希望它能撐5年，等到那時(shí)電動(dòng)車份額更大了，美國(guó)這邊的充電設(shè)施也更完善了，那時(shí)候我另一半也能相信電動(dòng)車是實(shí)用的了。
The Chinese can afford to lose money to establish industry, the Japanese and Americans can't. I see now real way for them to get ahead of the Chinese even if they have access to the same batteries. They will have to figure out something to distinguish themselves on at a higher price.
中國(guó)人可以靠虧本來打造產(chǎn)業(yè)，日本人和美國(guó)人可做不到。就算用同樣的電池，我也看不出他們?cè)趺茨艹^中國(guó)。他們只能想辦法在高價(jià)位上靠其他特色來區(qū)分自己了。
Besides China who has a good recharging infrastructure?
除了中國(guó)還有哪個(gè)國(guó)家的充電設(shè)施做得好？
Australia
澳大利亞。
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It's called a house charger! If you can't put one where you live, depending all the time on outside chargers is more expensive and less convenient, which makes an hybrid better
那叫家用充電樁！如果你住的地方裝不了充電樁，整天靠外面的充電樁不僅更貴還更麻煩，這種情況混動(dòng)車反而更合適。
I have been driving electric here in Thailand for years without any problems
我在泰國(guó)開電動(dòng)車已經(jīng)好幾年了，從來沒遇到過什么問題。
Totally agree! Now considering that Li auto has a market cap of more than Xpeng and Nio combined, you can see that there is an imballance..
完全同意！現(xiàn)在理想汽車的市值居然比小鵬和蔚來加起來還高，這明顯不太合理啊。
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Byd's Dmi hybrid technology is the future.
比亞迪的DM-i混動(dòng)技術(shù)就是未來。
Hybrids are the most flammable vehicles on this planet
混動(dòng)車是這星球上最容易著火的車。
I think this guy is getting paid by some Chinese car manufacturer. He just praises Chinese cars, but doesn't say one bad thing about them. We see that Chinese cars still have many design flaws compared to Western cars, especially in winter conditions.
我覺得這家伙肯定收了中國(guó)車企的錢。他就知道吹捧中國(guó)車，就是不說一句他們的缺點(diǎn)。大家都看得出來，和西方車比，中國(guó)車在設(shè)計(jì)上還有很多缺陷，尤其是在冬天的表現(xiàn)。
Such as? I have just been in China and asked a few taxi drivers about their e vehicles. They were very positive. What issues are there?
比如哪些缺陷？我剛從中國(guó)回來，還問了好幾個(gè)出租車司機(jī)他們開電動(dòng)車的感受。他們?cè)u(píng)價(jià)都挺好的。到底有什么問題??？
Here in the Netherlands the biggest taxi company (TCA) in the second largest city of the country: Rotterdam. Just chose BYD as its partner for new vehicles. I guess taxi companies choose their cars based on reliability and cost efficiency. As well as the start of zero-emission zones for commercial vehicles starting on 1st of Jan 2025 in dozens of large cities here.
在荷蘭這邊，鹿特丹（全國(guó)第二大城市）最大的出租車公司TCA剛選擇了比亞迪作為新車供應(yīng)商。
我猜出租車公司選車主要看可靠性和成本效益。再說這邊很多大城市從2025年1月1日起就要開始對(duì)商用車實(shí)行零排放區(qū)域政策了。
Chinese manufacturers, including BYD, have plug-in hybrids. I don't see the problem with having hybrids as a gateway to a future electric car.
包括比亞迪在內(nèi)的中國(guó)廠商都有插電混動(dòng)車型。我覺得把混動(dòng)車作為過渡到純電動(dòng)車的跳板沒什么問題。
BYD is selling PHEV to create a gateway to their Brand to evs. Excellent business strategy. No wonder they are penetrating to every market or even competitors" manufacturing (Toyota).
比亞迪賣插混就是為了給他們的品牌打開進(jìn)軍電動(dòng)車市場(chǎng)的大門。這商業(yè)策略太高明了。難怪他們不光打入了各個(gè)市場(chǎng)，連競(jìng)爭(zhēng)對(duì)手（豐田）的生產(chǎn)線都打入了。
Nissan is correct that ICE-only hybrids, like the original Prius, are a dead end. Plug-in hybrids with moderate electric range of 40 - 100 km on battery backed by a small range-extender are an excellent all-around solution, as they not only improve mileage like the Prius, but can cover a lot of daily driving mostly or entirely on battery while still providing long-distance range when needed.
日產(chǎn)說得對(duì)，像第一代普銳斯那樣的普通混動(dòng)確實(shí)是死路一條。
不過帶有40-100公里電池續(xù)航里程，再加上小型增程器的插電混動(dòng)，才是最好的全面解決方案。
這種車不僅能像普銳斯一樣省油，還能應(yīng)付大部分日常通勤（基本全靠電池），需要長(zhǎng)途駕駛時(shí)也不用愁。
i love the Chinese just sitting sweetly regardless what the customers want at the end of the day........... electric ICE hybrid or anything
我喜歡中國(guó)人這種淡定的樣子，不管顧客最后想要什么……純電、燃油、混動(dòng)還是啥都行。
In a country where people are generally impatient such as Thailand, waiting for charging becomes a road to hell instead.
在泰國(guó)這種人們普遍沒什么耐心的國(guó)家，等著充電簡(jiǎn)直就是“一條通往地獄之路”。
For the last 5 years, hybrids have been selling very, very well, in the U.S. You have to sell the cars that you can make and sell *today*, not what will sell when the bugs are worked out of the technology.
過去5年，混動(dòng)車在美國(guó)賣得可好了。你得賣那些現(xiàn)在就能生產(chǎn)和銷售的車，而不是等著技術(shù)完全成熟了再說。
If hybrids are not the wave of the future then why are 80% of BYD cars are hybrids and 20% full EVs? The current majority of US cars are hybrids.
要是混動(dòng)不是未來趨勢(shì)，那為啥比亞迪80%的車都是混動(dòng)，只有20%是純電動(dòng)？美國(guó)現(xiàn)在大部分車不也是混動(dòng)嗎。
BYD hybrids have either a range extender that uses gas or a small engine with a large battery which are different than legacy hybrids with small batteries and bigger engines.
比亞迪的混動(dòng)要么是增程式，要么是大電池配小發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)，跟傳統(tǒng)那種小電池大發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)的混動(dòng)不一樣。