沙特人即將到中國(guó)旅游，想了解中國(guó)人對(duì)沙特人的看法。網(wǎng)友回復(fù)：從我的中國(guó)朋友那得知，他們覺(jué)得沙特人就像“金主爸爸”

From few Chinese friends I know that they perceived as rich daddies ? by Most-Cap5385(19

從我認(rèn)識(shí)的幾個(gè)中國(guó)朋友那兒得知，他們覺(jué)得沙特人就像“金主爸爸”

Assalamualaikum. All I want to say is...have fun lol.To me you guys are cool and rich .BTW If you ever visit Guangzhou, don't forget to stop by at 光塔寺, AKA Masjid Huaisheng. This is the OLDEST mosque in China with a history of 1300 years. ? by Fc1145141919810(14

阿薩拉姆阿來(lái)庫(kù)姆！只想說(shuō)……玩得開(kāi)心就好（笑）。對(duì)我來(lái)說(shuō)，你們又酷又有錢(qián)。順便說(shuō)一句，如果你有機(jī)會(huì)去廣州，一定別錯(cuò)過(guò)光塔寺，也叫懷圣寺。這是中國(guó)最古老的清真寺，有1300年的歷史！

That sounds extremely interesting I will add it to my itinerary. I googled it and it looks absolutely
That is as old as Islam, the timeline sounds.... unlikely lol ? by MmmIceCreamSoBAD

聽(tīng)起來(lái)太有意思了，我一定加入行程！我查了下照片，看起來(lái)確實(shí)……不過(guò)這和伊斯蘭教本身的歷史一樣長(zhǎng)啊，這時(shí)間線聽(tīng)起來(lái)……不太可能吧（笑）。

Arabs were already actively trading with China at the time of Muhammad and there were Muslims in China [within a few decades of the start of Islam]. Guangzhou was a major port and one of the most prominent trading posts. The dating of the this mosque is "legendary" and the exact establishment is debated, but Islam in China is pretty much "as old as Islam". ? by blorg(3

在穆罕默德還在世時(shí)，阿拉伯人就已活躍于與中國(guó)的貿(mào)易。伊斯蘭教傳入中國(guó)，大約是在它誕生后幾十年內(nèi)完成的。廣州作為重要港口，是中外貿(mào)易的樞紐之一。雖然這座清真寺“1300年歷史”的說(shuō)法是帶有傳奇色彩的，確切建造時(shí)間有爭(zhēng)議，但“伊斯蘭教在中國(guó)幾乎與伊斯蘭教本身一樣古老”這一說(shuō)法還是有一定根據(jù)的。

I realize they were trading and official contact between China and the Muslim world was a few decades after Muhammad (PBUH) died. But Muhammad (PBUH) was alive 1400 years ago. Saying a mosque in China is >1300 years old is.... unlikely, to say the least. Muslim communities formed over the next 150-200 years but saying 1300 years is quite specific. The timeline just doesn't make sense to me, I doubt there were enough Muslims to be building a mosque that would have withstood the test of time in China over 1300 years ago. Especially since so little historical buildings have survived at all in China since they built out of wood and had lots of wars where cities were burned to the ground constantly.Like that would be a top 10 oldest mosque still in use. In China of all places? Like itd be nice if it was true but I just doubt it, historically speaking. ? by MmmIceCreamSoBAD

我理解當(dāng)時(shí)確實(shí)有貿(mào)易往來(lái)，中國(guó)與伊斯蘭世界的正式接觸是在穆罕默德去世后幾十年。不過(guò)穆罕默德是1400年前的人，說(shuō)一座中國(guó)的清真寺有1300年歷史……很難令人信服。穆斯林社群是在接下來(lái)150-200年才逐漸成形的，1300年這個(gè)數(shù)字太具體了。而且考慮到中國(guó)的歷史建筑多為木結(jié)構(gòu)，戰(zhàn)亂頻繁，留存至今的極少。如果這是真的，它將是全球最古老的在用清真寺之一。能是真的當(dāng)然很好，但從歷史角度講，我很懷疑。

As a rule, stuff that is "1,300 years old" in China doesn't mean the actual physical building is 1,300 years old, or exactly as it was then, but that there was a historical building there which it has continuity with. Buildings are continually maintained and renovated. This particular mosque was rebuilt in 1350 then again in 1695 after being destroyed in a fire, and the prayer hall in 1935, so the building isn't 1,300 years old.1,300 years is a "legendary" date, it is possible it dates to a few centuries later.The Great Mosque of Guangzhou, known also as Huaisheng Mosque (Memorial of the Holy Prophet) or the Guangta Mosque (Light Tower Mosque), is thought to be the earliest surviving mosque in China and has the earliest freestanding minaret in China. Manuscxts from 1206 claim that the mosque was built by an uncle of the Prophet, Abi Waqqas, on the first Muslim mission to China in the 630s. However, it is more certain that a mosque was first built here during the Tang Dynasty, or in the early years of the Song Dynasty. The mosque was entirely rebuilt in 1350 during the Yuan dynasty under the rule of Zhizheng (1341-1368), and rebuilt again in 1695 under Emperor Kangzi of the Qing dynasty, after being destroyed in a fire.? by blorg

在中國(guó)，所謂“有1300年歷史”的建筑，往往不意味著現(xiàn)存的物理結(jié)構(gòu)就是1300年前建的，而是這塊地上最初建了這樣一座建筑，后人不斷修繕與重建，延續(xù)至今。這座清真寺曾在1350年重建，1695年在火災(zāi)后又重建，1935年又重建了祈禱大廳，所以目前的建筑并非原物。廣州的這座清真寺又名懷圣寺或光塔寺，被認(rèn)為是中國(guó)現(xiàn)存最早的清真寺，擁有中國(guó)最早的獨(dú)立宣禮塔。1206年的手稿稱(chēng)該寺由穆罕默德的叔叔瓦卡斯在公元630年代首次赴中傳教時(shí)建造。不過(guò)，較為可靠的說(shuō)法認(rèn)為它建于唐代，或最早在宋代初年。此后經(jīng)歷過(guò)數(shù)次重建。

That would make more sense. I realize for some stuff this old it's a 'claim' or that there's the paradox of the ship (if you replace every plank over time is it the same ship?).I'm sure it's historically significant I'm just saying 1300 years (even if the building has been replaced multiple times) would make it VERY old in the context of Islamic history. Like decades off from the black mosque in Mecca you see Muslims doing the Hajj around (that Muhammad PBUH himself lived in) . ? by MmmIceCreamSoBAD(2

這樣就說(shuō)得通了。確實(shí)，關(guān)于這種歷史悠久的建筑很多都是“傳說(shuō)版本”，也可以理解為“忒修斯之船悖論”——如果你逐漸替換了整艘船的每一塊木板，它還算是原來(lái)的那艘船嗎？我當(dāng)然承認(rèn)這座清真寺有重要的歷史地位，只是單純覺(jué)得1300年這個(gè)具體數(shù)字有點(diǎn)夸張——那幾乎和麥加黑石清真寺差不多年代了，那可是穆罕默德親自參與的清真寺。

I honestly don't want to be mean but...when we Tang Dynasty Chinese were trading with Arab Muslims, what were you medi Europeans even doing? I don't think it is appropriate for you to question the histories of the two great civilizations. Sorry bud. I was trying to be polite but I feel like I have to let it out. ? by Fc1145141919810(3

我本不想不客氣……但你知道唐代中國(guó)人已經(jīng)和阿拉伯穆斯林做生意的時(shí)候，你們中世紀(jì)歐洲人還在干嘛嗎？我本來(lái)是想客氣點(diǎn)的，但現(xiàn)在真的忍不住要說(shuō)出來(lái)。兩大文明的歷史，不是隨便就能質(zhì)疑的

You are very rude, blocked.I'm not questioning any civilization I'm questioning the history of a single building. ? by MmmIceCreamSoBAD(-2

你太沒(méi)禮貌了，我拉黑你了。我質(zhì)疑的是一座建筑的歷史，不是任何文明。

Bro...have you ever heard of the Maritime Silk Road? Do you know how many Arab Muslims stayed in Guangzhou during Tang Dynasty? It’s one of the oldest mosques in China, built by Arab traders and travellers along the Maritime Silk Road. The mosque’s iconic minaret even served as a lighthouse for Persian & Arab ships. Chinese records such as the Old Book of Tang, Guangzhou Chronicles, and the diaries of Muslim travellers (Sulayman’s Voyage, 851 AD) also confirm its existence. Even UNESCO recognizes its significance. Denying its age is like denying Rome’s Colosseum was built by the Romans... it's just embarrassingly wrong.Edit: oh and this one too Hugh R. Clark "Muslims and Hindus in the Culture and Morphology of Quanzhou from the Tenth to the Thirteenth Century" ? by Fc1145141919810(2

兄弟……你聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)“海上絲綢之路”嗎？你知道唐代有多少阿拉伯穆斯林留在廣州嗎？這座清真寺正是阿拉伯商人和旅行者沿海上絲路建立的，它的宣禮塔甚至曾被用作波斯和阿拉伯船只的燈塔。中國(guó)史料如《舊唐書(shū)》《廣州志》以及穆斯林旅行家的記載（如蘇萊曼的《851年航海記》）都確認(rèn)了它的存在。**聯(lián)合國(guó)教科文組織（UNESCO）**也承認(rèn)其歷史意義。否認(rèn)它的歷史地位就像否認(rèn)羅馬斗獸場(chǎng)是羅馬人建的一樣……簡(jiǎn)直令人尷尬。補(bǔ)充：可參考 Hugh R. Clark 的研究《十至十三世紀(jì)泉州的穆斯林與印度教徒文化形態(tài)》。

No Islam is over 1400 years old ? by Aggorf12345

伊斯蘭教確實(shí)已經(jīng)1400多年歷史了。
There's a Chinese saying about Arabs from recent years: "頭上頂塊布，全球我最富"

Roughly translates to: "Cloth on my head, I am the richest on Earth." ? by musapher(9

近些年中國(guó)人對(duì)阿拉伯人的一種說(shuō)法是：“頭上頂塊布，全球我最富?！?br />
Hahahaha that's funny truly. ? by omeero90(2

哈哈哈，太搞笑了，確實(shí)。

If you ask the average Chinese person, they'd probably say "Rich people, filthy rich..." and also, hardcore Muslims. Though most regular folks don't understand the difference between Sunnis and Shias - I'm not googling it right now but I think Saudi is Sunni? If you ask people who are into politics and history, they'd mention the war over a thousand years ago where China lost Central Asia. But relations have been peaceful ever since. ? by Sorry_Sort6059(8

如果你去問(wèn)普通中國(guó)人，他們大概會(huì)說(shuō)“有錢(qián)人，超級(jí)有錢(qián)……”另外，大家也覺(jué)得沙特人是那種非常虔誠(chéng)的穆斯林。當(dāng)然，一般人其實(shí)并不了解遜尼派和什葉派的區(qū)別——我沒(méi)查但印象中沙特是遜尼派吧？
如果你去問(wèn)那些對(duì)政治和歷史感興趣的人，他們可能會(huì)提到中國(guó)在一千多年前的中亞戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)中失敗的那一段歷史。但自那之后中沙關(guān)系一直算和平。

Arabs didn't hold that long in Central Asia either. The Tibetans took over followed by the Turkic folks.
I guess the only legacy left by the Arabs in Central Asia is the religion. ? by Fc1145141919810(4

不過(guò)阿拉伯人在中亞的統(tǒng)治也沒(méi)有維持太久，后來(lái)是藏人、突厥人接管了。阿拉伯人在中亞留下的唯一遺產(chǎn)，大概也就是宗教了。

There are two types of people in Saudi: rich people and super rich people.The Saudis has nothing else but money ? by Junior_Injury_6074(5

沙特人分兩種：有錢(qián)人，和超級(jí)有錢(qián)人。沙特除了錢(qián)什么都沒(méi)有。

False we also have an abundance of sand and heat ? by omeero90(4

錯(cuò)了，我們還有很多沙子和熱浪。

The top does, not everyone lol ? by Due_Capital_3507(3

中國(guó)人主要是對(duì)“頂層”沙特人有印象，不是所有人啦（笑）。

People can't tell nationalities, so depending on how you look, they may think you are Arab, Indian, Persian, or even White.In big cities, people may give you a look or two, but generally, no one will care much. People could even come up and help you without being asked (that'll depend on your luck though).In smaller cities, you'll be the centre of attention, but most people don't go to small Chinese cities when visiting China. ? by Putrid_Line_1027(5

大多數(shù)人其實(shí)分不清國(guó)家身份。你長(zhǎng)得像什么，就會(huì)被認(rèn)為是什么 —— 阿拉伯人、印度人、波斯人、甚至白人。在大城市可能有人多看你一眼，但基本沒(méi)人會(huì)太在意。運(yùn)氣好還會(huì)有人主動(dòng)幫你。但在小城市，你可能會(huì)成為“焦點(diǎn)”，不過(guò)一般游客也不會(huì)去那些地方。

I'm staying in a near by country at the moment and I'm still getting used to differentiating nationalities "still not very good at it" so no judgment from me. I think it's absolutely normal that people can't tell if they're not exposed to it constantly. ? by omeero90(2

我現(xiàn)在在鄰國(guó)，自己都還沒(méi)學(xué)會(huì)分辨各國(guó)人，“水平還很差”，所以不會(huì)對(duì)別人做判斷。我覺(jué)得這很正常啦，如果你平時(shí)沒(méi)接觸這些國(guó)家。

Pretty good vibe i think ? by fluffybamf(3

我覺(jué)得總體印象還是挺正面的。

rich and religious police with sticks.oh and those police cars ? by lokbomen(3

“有錢(qián)的宗教警察，還有他們那些警車(chē)?！?br />
What are "those police cars" I'm genuinely intrigued. ? by omeero90(2

他們的警車(chē)怎么了？我真心好奇。

Im guessing the stereotype came from those police supercars in Dubai. ? by OneTwoThreeFoolFive(2

估計(jì)你說(shuō)的是迪拜的超級(jí)跑車(chē)警車(chē)那種。

yeah tbh i still cant tell any of the nations in middle east apart just from map yet. ? by lokbomen

對(duì)，說(shuō)實(shí)話(huà)我現(xiàn)在都還分不清中東國(guó)家的地理位置。

apart from money or oil, not much else. no opinions on religion, culture, or politics. Ur starting as a clean slate basically ? by stonk_lord_(2

除了錢(qián)和石油，其他我沒(méi)什么印象……宗教、文化、政治我也不了解。你算是一張干凈的白紙。

Amazing that's so refreshing tbh. ? by omeero90(2

太棒了，說(shuō)實(shí)話(huà)這樣挺令人耳目一新的（笑）。

a rich buddy. we hope u can buy more more more ? by Yunwuliaorao(2

一個(gè)“有錢(qián)的朋友”。我們希望你能多多購(gòu)物、多多買(mǎi)買(mǎi)買(mǎi)！

Well I'm a student so I don't think I'll buy much but I'm planning on shopping lol. ? by omeero90(2

哈哈我還在讀書(shū)，所以估計(jì)買(mǎi)不了什么，但購(gòu)物我肯定會(huì)的！

If you’re strict about your diet you might need to make your dining plans in advance. ? by Cuppa-Tea-Biscuit(2

如果你對(duì)飲食比較講究，可能要提前規(guī)劃吃飯的地方。

Dress like one. You will be royalty. ? by DrCalFun(2

穿得像個(gè)沙特人，你會(huì)被當(dāng)“王子”一樣對(duì)待。

Lol imagine if I did that so cringe-worthy ? by omeero90

哈哈想想就尷尬，太中二了吧。

Don’t worry at all. They’ll love you. ? by thedalailamma(2

別擔(dān)心，他們一定會(huì)很歡迎你的。

No bad opinion. You might be viewed as super rich. Just make sure to brush up a bit Mandarin if you are venturing outside big cities. ? by Horror_Cry_6250(2

大家對(duì)你印象可能就是“超級(jí)有錢(qián)”。如果你要去大城市之外的地方，最好提前學(xué)點(diǎn)中文。

You’re asking the internet savvy crowd here. Depending on where you go, the majority might not know what Saudi Arabia is. And you may get mistaken for being a “westerner” or American/European.
On the off chance they do, all they think is you’re rich. That may be a good or bad thing. ? bY LEEgiovanni(4

你現(xiàn)在是在問(wèn)一群上網(wǎng)用戶(hù)的意見(jiàn)啦。但在你去的地方，大多數(shù)人可能甚至不知道“沙特阿拉伯”是哪個(gè)國(guó)家。
也可能有人會(huì)以為你是“西方人”或者美歐人士。如果他們知道你來(lái)自沙特，那印象多半就是“你很有錢(qián)”。這可能是好事，也可能是壞事。

Pardon me, but even a middle-schooler in China could locate Saudi Arabia on a map...unlike some certain nation(s) where geography is optional and ignorance is bliss. Just saying. ? by Fc1145141919810(8

打擾一下，就算是中國(guó)初中生也能在地圖上找到沙特……不像某些國(guó)家，地理只是“選修課”，無(wú)知被當(dāng)成福氣（笑）。

Yeah I'm not delusional enough to think my country is the center of the world to be known globally by every person, but I know it's a topic of discussion. I don't think I'm light skinned enough to be considered "westren" but according to people I may be a little ethnically ambiguous. ? by omeero90(2

我沒(méi)那么天真，不會(huì)覺(jué)得我的國(guó)家是“世界中心”，每個(gè)人都該知道。但我知道這確實(shí)是個(gè)容易引發(fā)討論的話(huà)題。我皮膚不夠白，不會(huì)被誤認(rèn)成“西方人”，但有人說(shuō)我有點(diǎn)民族特征模糊（笑）

Chinese girls love arabs. Have a good time ? by janopack(3

中國(guó)妹子很喜歡阿拉伯人。祝你玩得開(kāi)心！

they expect you to spit out gold along the way. ? by [dexed]

大家會(huì)覺(jué)得你“走路都會(huì)掉金子”。

Very very rich muslim friends ? by groovyoung

“超級(jí)有錢(qián)的穆斯林朋友”——印象基本就這樣。

In my view, Saudi Arabia is a stable and long-term partner, that's it. In the Middle East, Saudi Arabia seems to be the most worthwhile country to do business with. When China was poor, we completed an arms order, and the money from Saudi Arabia helped our country's development. As a Chinese, the only thing I am curious about is the education method within the Saudi royal family. Many Saudi crown princes seem to be more shrewd and full of wisdom, but as we all know, money breeds laziness, which does not seem to work in Saudi Arabia. ? by SeniorTomatillo7669

在我看來(lái)，沙特是一個(gè)穩(wěn)定而長(zhǎng)期的合作伙伴，就這樣。在中東，沙特算是最值得合作的國(guó)家。當(dāng)年中國(guó)還很貧窮時(shí)，我們完成了一筆軍火交易，沙特的錢(qián)對(duì)我們的發(fā)展很重要。作為中國(guó)人，我唯一好奇的是沙特皇室內(nèi)部的教育方式。很多沙特王儲(chǔ)看起來(lái)都很聰明、有遠(yuǎn)見(jiàn)，但眾所周知，金錢(qián)容易滋養(yǎng)懶惰，這點(diǎn)在沙特似乎并不成立。

Rich Oil Exporter, Also let me remind you that possession of drugs in China is a felony just like in Saudi Arabia, so don't do it, several foreigners who don't understand this have been sentenced to prison and even death for it. ? by cordis000

沙特是“富裕的石油出口國(guó)”。另外提醒一下：中國(guó)持有毒品和沙特一樣是重罪，千萬(wàn)別碰。有些外國(guó)人不懂規(guī)則，結(jié)果被判監(jiān)禁甚至死刑。

Never ever, I'm all for respecting the rules ? by omeero90

絕不可能，我一向尊重法律

Shanghai Hangkui Machinery Trading Co. Ltd is the biggest scammers in Shanghai, they are not selling excavators or machinery, They put some machines on display to Scam International customers. Be Aware and DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THESE SCAMMERS. The owner of the company is the biggest Scammer named Martin Chen and his partner Emma is fooling people by sending fake machines videos and pictures. So many people complained that they received deposit against heavy machinery and not responding. Our company paid deposit of 28,000$ against 2 Komatsu machines for over a month, When we dig more on internet about this company we found that this is very common practice for them to scam international customers. They have account on Alibaba but they do not deal through Alibaba by making false stories. Please spread this to save more people from them. They have very structured set up in Shanghai to Scam people. ? by Crazy-Letterhead8492

警告：中國(guó)上海的“上海航魁機(jī)械貿(mào)易有限公司”是騙子公司。他們假裝賣(mài)挖掘機(jī)和工程設(shè)備，展示一些機(jī)器來(lái)騙國(guó)際客戶(hù)。老板叫 Martin Chen，和搭檔 Emma 會(huì)發(fā)一些假視頻和照片騙定金。我們公司被騙了 2 臺(tái)小松機(jī)器的 28000 美元定金。他們?cè)诎⒗锇桶陀匈~號(hào)，但不通過(guò)平臺(tái)交易，請(qǐng)大家注意，不要被騙！

Rich and stupid. Watch out for scams.Also girls would want to marry you ? by bathroomdestoryer

沙特人=又有錢(qián)又傻。小心詐騙。而且很多女生會(huì)想嫁給你。

Seeing alot of people respond with 'rich' like it's a positive trait. Yes, saudis are materially wealthy but spiritually they are absolutely bankrupt. They're incapable of producing any sort of high culture or art and just exist to enjoy materialistic pleasures. ? by RD__Society

看到這么多人把“有錢(qián)”當(dāng)好事……是的，沙特人是物質(zhì)富有，但精神上完全破產(chǎn)。他們幾乎無(wú)法創(chuàng)造真正的文化或藝術(shù)，只是活在享樂(lè)主義里。

The memes are rich and stupid. Like Saudi just throw money at any problem instead of trying to solve it themselves. ? by arstarsta

這些段子說(shuō)沙特人只會(huì)“用錢(qián)砸問(wèn)題”，不解決問(wèn)題。

What's wrong with using money to make things go away, everyone with money does that. ? by omeero90(2

有錢(qián)解決問(wèn)題，有什么不好？每個(gè)有錢(qián)人都這么干吧？

It depends on how you got the money. If you got the money from winning the oil lottery then you aren't rich from skills but just lucky.It's also about ability. Like you know how to drive but are rich enough for a chauffeur vs you can't even drive. ? by arstarsta

關(guān)鍵看你錢(qián)怎么來(lái)的。如果是“中了石油彩票”，那靠的不是能力，而是運(yùn)氣。還要看你有沒(méi)有能力，比如：你會(huì)開(kāi)車(chē)但請(qǐng)得起司機(jī) vs 你連車(chē)都不會(huì)開(kāi)。

Isn't all about luck! Without it you don't have the assets. How you cultivate that luck and grow it is the true test of skill. ? by omeero90(2

光靠運(yùn)氣還不夠，沒(méi)有資產(chǎn)你連賭的資格都沒(méi)有。真正的本事是，看你怎么利用“運(yùn)氣”并讓它持續(xù)帶來(lái)回報(bào)。

Yes but what have Saudi actually achieved outside of selling oil? Do you invest the money to create any companies like Coca cola, Google, Siemens or Huawei? ? by arstarsta

是啊，但除了賣(mài)石油，沙特實(shí)際上還成就了什么？你們有沒(méi)有拿這些錢(qián)去創(chuàng)辦什么像可口可樂(lè)、谷歌、西門(mén)子或者華為那樣的公司？”

Well I'm not knowledgeable about these things but tell me if you had the number one sought after resource that wars is waged around wouldn't you build your economy around it? Invest in it in every shape or form?Especially that you're a baby country that started from scratch and made itself in less than 100 years? I don't know about you but from a desolate desert to a thriving economy in that time frx I call it a success. ? by omeero90(3

“我對(duì)這方面了解不多，但你告訴我：如果你掌握了一個(gè)全球爭(zhēng)搶、引發(fā)戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)的頭號(hào)資源，難道你不會(huì)圍繞它構(gòu)建你的經(jīng)濟(jì)？不會(huì)用各種方式投資、利用它？尤其你是一個(gè)幾乎從零開(kāi)始的年輕國(guó)家，在不到100年的時(shí)間里把自己發(fā)展成今天這樣？我不知道你怎么看，但從一片荒漠到如今的繁榮經(jīng)濟(jì)體，我覺(jué)得這就是一種成功?！?br />