倘若讓美軍最頂尖飛行員駕駛的F-22中隊，與解放軍最精銳飛行員駕馭的J-20中隊，在南海海域展開對決——勝負究竟會如何？

Mike Chang
The American F-22 vs. Chinese J-20 is not even a close fight.
美國的F-22對決中國的殲-20，根本不是同一檔次的較量。


The F-22 is the undisputed apex predator of the skies. The J-20 is a knockoff made in China. It's up to the pilot's skill. American pilots get tons of flight time, training, and all that, while the Chinese conserve fuel and watch Top Gun movies back at base.
F-22是當之無愧的制空霸主；殲-20只是中國的貼牌仿制品。一切取決于飛行員水平——美國飛行員擁有大量飛行時間和訓練機會，而中國飛行員則節(jié)約燃油，在基地里看《壯志凌云》。


Li Pengii
In 2024? The J-20. Oh sure the F-22 is a formidable machine.
2024年對決？殲-20更勝一籌。誠然，F(xiàn)-22也是一款強悍戰(zhàn)機。

But over the F-22 it loses pretty much EVERY single advantage.
但相較F-22，殲-20幾乎在每個方面都占優(yōu)。

On top of this. In 2024 USAF pilots actually have less flight hours than Chinese or Russian pilots. USAF pilots get 8–10 hours of flight a month. Chinese pilots get about 170 a year, Russian pilots get about 150+ actual combat missions flown now.
更何況，2024年美空軍飛行員的月飛行時數(shù)只有8–10小時，而中國飛行員年均約170小時，俄方甚至執(zhí)行了150多次實戰(zhàn)任務。

Westerners are under the impression a stealth aircraft can literally turn completely invisible to radar and be undetected, hence why they regularly talk about how a B21 can bomb Beijing with impunity.
西方人普遍存在一種誤解，認為隱身戰(zhàn)機真的能在雷達面前徹底"消失"，正因如此，他們時常鼓吹B21轟炸機可以肆無忌憚地空襲北京。

The F-22 has to take off from the ground—There’s literally very few places it can take off from. So we know where they will come from.
F-22只能從陸基機場起飛，起飛場所極其有限，所以我們能鎖定它們的出發(fā)地點。

We have massive multi band radar on the ground to locate the F-22s.
我們在地面部署了多頻段遠程雷達，用來追蹤F-22。

We have satellite surveillance of the entire area and have demonstrated tracking F-22s visually from satellites.
我們擁有全覆蓋衛(wèi)星監(jiān)視，且已展示過用衛(wèi)星目視追蹤F-22的能力。

It’s over water meaning there’s literally nowhere to hide or terrain that can be used for defence.
海上作戰(zhàn)意味著沒有地形可借以隱蔽或掩護。

As such the J-20 can just sit back and lob PL-17s at the F-22s. As above we have plenty of ground based radars from multiple directions using different bandwidths. J-20 has 4 of them. They could literally take off, lob missiles, land, rearm, lob some more, land, re-arm and lob some more. Cowardly? This is literally a USAF technique I remember a fighter pilot talk about on here. TBJF - Turn and burn Jet fuel. Loose some 2 AMRAAMS per target. Then turn around rinse and repeat.
因此，殲-20只需待機，然后不斷向F-22投擲PL?17導彈。我們四面部署了多頻段地面雷達，J-20上配備了四臺接收器。它可以不停地起飛—發(fā)射—著陸—補給—再發(fā)射，循環(huán)往復。說它懦弱？這正是美空軍飛行員自曝的戰(zhàn)術：“TBJF”（加油沖刺），每次向目標發(fā)射兩枚AIM?120，之后掉頭再來。


Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam

The Raptors will fly from Philippines and South Korea and Aircraft Carriers
猛禽（F?22）將從菲律賓、韓國和航母上起飛。

The first interception will be with the JH-7
第一道攔截將由JH?7執(zhí)行。

They will be the first line in Chinese Air space
它們將構成中國領空的第一道防線。

Then the HQ9 will launch missiles towards the Raptors
隨后HQ?9地對空導彈會對F?22發(fā)起攻擊。

This will be the second line
這就是第二道防線。

Finally the S-400 will get a lock and go after the Raptors
最后，俄制S?400系統(tǒng)會鎖定并打擊F?22。

The Raptor will never face off against a J-20 in the South China sea
F?22在南海絕不會與殲-20正面交鋒。

Not unless it's a Top Gun movie
除非是在電影《壯志凌云》中。

In fact using the Raptor against China is stupid in the first place
實際上，用F?22對付中國本身就是不明智的選擇。

Both the Raptor and the J-20 are primarily meant to destroy ground targets
F?22和殲-20都主要定位為對地攻擊機。

This means they aren't built for air to air combat
這意味著它們并非為空戰(zhàn)而生。

They aren't that maneuverable
它們的機動性也有限。

When will the J-20 and Raptor face off?
殲-20和F?22究竟何時會交手？

Somewhere in the middle of the Ocean where China and US have Aircraft Carriers and the planes fly off from ACCs and fight with each other
也許是在太平洋某片海域，中美航母戰(zhàn)斗群正嚴陣以待——艦載機從航空母艦（ACCs）呼嘯升空，即將展開一場激烈的空中對決。

Say hypothetically China sends a Naval Carrier Fleet to Australia and US intercepts the same
比如假設中國派航母艦隊前往澳大利亞，美方艦隊攔截。

Otherwise the Raptor will face off against the JH-7 & HQ-9 & S-400
否則F?22將對抗JH?7、HQ?9和S?400。

Likewise the J-20 if it flies against Taiwan will likely face the A-IDF Taiwanese fighters & F-16Vs
同理，殲-20若對臺作戰(zhàn)，將面對臺灣（地區(qū)）的經(jīng)國號（A?IDF）、F?16V戰(zhàn)機。

Not the Raptors or even the F-35s
而非F?22或F?35。

Military Aircraft: A Passion for Flight
Anything could happen but my money is on the F-22 squadron. I think the F-22’s superior stealth, engines, and radar give it a big advantage over the J-20 and the F-22 also carries more A2A missiles. The F-22 was meant for air-superiority, the J-20 is an interceptor so it’s not a favorable matchup. The J-20 is meant to chase down AWACS, Tankers, Transports, those high value targets.
一切皆有可能，但我押注于F?22中隊。我認為F?22更出色的隱身性能、發(fā)動機推力和雷達都勝過殲-20，而且它攜帶更多的空空導彈。F?22定位制空戰(zhàn)機，而殲-20則是攔截機，不是對等較量；殲-20的任務是追擊預警機、加油機、運輸機等高價值目標。

Probably the biggest advantage for the F-22 is the Americans have been operating stealth aircraft decades longer than China has. The former not only has significantly more experience operating stealth, but tracking and engaging stealth as well. The F-22 just has many things going for it and that’s not including the new helmets and missiles it’s received.
F?22的最大優(yōu)勢還在于美軍隱身機運營歷史遠比中國長數(shù)十年；美軍不僅在隱身機操作方面經(jīng)驗豐富，也擅長追蹤和對抗隱身目標。除此之外，F(xiàn)?22還裝備了新型頭盔和導彈。

I think this is how an F-22 vs J-20 would go
我想，這就是F?22對陣殲-20的想定戰(zhàn)果。


Dan T.
Wow, really trying to stoke the controversy aren't you? The real answer is, no one wins, because they don't fight. The US and China both have nuclear weapons and the capability to deliver those weapons to the other country. Both countries will instruct their pilots to avoid a conflict.
哇，真是火上澆油。我來告訴你真正答案：沒人能贏，因為他們不會開戰(zhàn)。中美都握有核武器且具備對對方的打擊能力，雙方都會指示飛行員避免爆發(fā)沖突。

However, if you must have the rah-rah war and bloodshed answer, then the Americans probably win. The F-22 is significantly stealthier than the J-20, it likely has a significantly better radar, and significantly better avionics. American pilots are also probably more experienced and more well trained than their Chinese counterparts. Additionally, the J-20 doesn't really appear designed for the air superiority mission. It appears to be designed as more of a long-range sniper, meant to take out support aircraft like AWACs and tankers, not mix it up in air combat with other fighters. All that adds up to an American advantage that would likely win them any hypothetical fight.
但如果非要一場揚眉吐氣的“血戰(zhàn)”來回答，那美軍大概勝算更大。F?22隱身性能更佳，雷達和航電優(yōu)勢明顯，美軍飛行員也更資深、訓練經(jīng)驗更豐富。此外，殲-20并非定位制空戰(zhàn)機，更像遠程“狙擊手”，主要對付預警機和加油機，不擅長與其他戰(zhàn)機纏斗——所有這些都讓美軍在假想戰(zhàn)中占優(yōu)。


Roger Do
OP: A squadron of F-22 with the best American pilots vs a squadron of J-20 with the best Chinese pilots, over the South China sea? Who wins?
樓主問：在南海上空，由最優(yōu)秀的美軍飛行員駕駛F?22中隊對抗最頂尖的中方飛行員駕駛的殲-20中隊，誰能勝出？

The US.
美國。

The biggest disadvantage China faces is that the J-20 are ground-based and are not yet ready to be deployed on aircraft carriers, and we don’t yet know if J-20 can be launched repeated from aircraft carriers, even with China’s unreliable electro-mag launcher. This is the reason why the F-22 isn’t carrier based. Its airfrx and coating may not survive repeated catapult launch. Combined with PLAF’s lack of experience with mid-air refueling J20. it means a limited range for J2- and a predictable RTB path pre and post combat. Predictability is how you get killed.
中國的最大劣勢在于殲-20仍是陸基機，不具備成熟的航母適配能力；即便使用尚不穩(wěn)定的電磁彈射，也不知能否重復運作。這也是F?22從未航母化的原因——其機體和涂層或難以承受多次彈射。加之中空加油經(jīng)驗不足，殲-20的戰(zhàn)斗半徑受限，返航路徑可預測，而“可預測”即會被擊殺。

The second biggest disadvantage China faces is the lack of an integrated sensor net. If the engagement is close to China’s shoreline, there is a higher chance the F-22 would be without its normal combat support assets, like the AWAC, but it also means the J-20’s will also be more visible to the F-22. It’s a matter of energy, the J-20 is less stealthy than the F22, so even as J-20 might have a sensor advantage over the F-22 the closer the combat is over China, it also means the J-20 will reflect greater radar energy for the F-22 to pick up.
中國的第二大劣勢是缺乏一體化的傳感器網(wǎng)絡。若對抗發(fā)生在中國海岸附近，F(xiàn)?22或?qū)⒚媾R缺少預警機等支援資產(chǎn)的情況，但這也意味著殲-20暴露度更高。能量管理上，殲-20隱身性能遜于F?22，近岸作戰(zhàn)時反射的雷達能量更容易被F?22捕捉。

Doctrinally, US would not fight an squad on squad battle. AWAC would have alxed the fighter wing and the US airfrxs would have launched BVR and let the networked sensor and radar system guide the missiles into the basket. US fights systematic war, has been, ever since the first Gulf war, it’s just too bad they don’t have any worthy enemies.
從作戰(zhàn)原則來看，美軍不會以中隊對中隊硬碰硬。預警機會提前警報，戰(zhàn)機發(fā)射超視距導彈，由網(wǎng)絡化傳感與雷達系統(tǒng)指引“射中靶心”。美軍自海灣戰(zhàn)爭以來一直打系統(tǒng)化戰(zhàn)爭，只可惜敵人寥寥。


Albert
There are likely 10 times as many F-35s as F-22s in South Korea, Japan, and on the oceans on US CATOBAR supercarriers and smaller attack carriers from the US and Japan.
在韓國、日本乃至美日航母（尤其是搭載滑躍/彈射系統(tǒng)的航母）上，F(xiàn)?35的部署數(shù)量很可能是F?22的十倍。

F-22s might play a small part in a war near the Chinese coast. The US would depend on launching missiles from land bases, submarines, carrier battle groups, miscellaneous destroyers, B-52s, B-1Bs, soon to be B-21s, and B-2s.
F?22在中國近海戰(zhàn)事中或僅擔當小角色。美軍將主要依賴陸基導彈、潛艦、航母戰(zhàn)斗群、驅(qū)逐艦、B?52、B?1B、未來的B?21和B?2等平臺發(fā)射導彈。

Some Japanese, US, South Korean, and Taiwanese fighters might also launch missiles at Chinese boats and islands in the South China Sea or close targets like those a hundred miles from Taiwan. Other countries like Australia might join the fight.
日韓、美臺戰(zhàn)機或也會對南海的中國艦船、島礁，乃至距臺百余海里的目標實施導彈打擊。澳大利亞等國也可能參與行動。

The more time that goes by, the larger number of F-35s and B-21s will become available. F-22s would be better used to defend Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, and some of the West Coast of the US.
隨著時間推移，可投入戰(zhàn)場的F?35和B?21數(shù)量將持續(xù)增加，F(xiàn)?22更適合駐防阿拉斯加、夏威夷、關島及美國西海岸。

If China starts bombing US or US allies’ bases in a big way, it would be an invitation to nuclear war. It is clearly better that neither side starts this war.
若中國大規(guī)模轟炸美國或其盟友基地，無異于自招核戰(zhàn)爭。顯然，雙方都不應首先發(fā)動此戰(zhàn)。